+1 On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 9:50 AM, tommy xiao <xia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 Yes please! > > 2015-10-19 16:09 GMT+08:00 Alexander Rojas <alexan...@mesosphere.io>: > > > +1 Yes please! > > > > > On 15 Oct 2015, at 10:11, Bernd Mathiske <be...@mesosphere.io> wrote: > > > > > > Proposal: in extension of today’s limited two-level (epic, task) > > approach, make full use of expressive power already available in JIRA to > > provide more structure for larger projects to facilitate planning, > > tracking, and reporting. This will facilitate dynamically planning of > > sub-projects, which will make us more agile. > > > > > > The general idea is to use links between epics to provide a recursive > > hierarchical structure, with which one can span trees or DAGs of > > arbitrarily large projects. This does not mean that we want to plan > > everything in minute detail before starting to work. On the contrary. > > > > > > You can start anywhere in the eventual tree and express part of the > > overall effort, maybe say a short epic with a few task tickets. Then you > > can LATER make this epic a dependency for a larger effort. > > > > > > Conversely, you can subdivide a task in the epic into subtasks. > However, > > this does not mean that you have to literally use the feature “subtask” > in > > JIRA for this. Instead, staying recursive in our JIRA grammar, so to > speak, > > convert the task to an epic and then create ordinary tasks in it to > > represent subtasks. > > > > > > Now the task cannot be a task in its parent epic anymore. We fix this > by > > putting in a link of type "blocks" to the parent. When you then look at > the > > parent, it still holds a number of tasks, and it has one dependency on an > > epic (to which you can add more). > > > > > > Thus our dependency tree can grow in all directions. You can also > > rearrange and update it in any shape or form if necessary. > > > > > > Overall, we only use two JIRA elements: epics and tasks (of different > > flavors such as bugs, improvements, etc.). Tasks are the leaves, > everything > > else is an epic. Review requests only ever happen for tasks. > > > > > > The epics are there to provide a high level view and to allow dynamic > > (“more agilish”, non-waterfall) planning. Granted, you’d also use a tree > if > > you did waterfall. The difference is that you’d spec it all out at once. > My > > observation is that not too few of us do exactly this - outside JIRA - > and > > then try to remember what tickets are where in their tree. Let’s make > this > > part of JIRA! > > > > > > Why not use labels? Because they are in a flat name space and we want > to > > represent tree structure. How would you know that a label denotes a > > subproject of another label? By memorizing or by depicting a tree outside > > JIRA. Why not use components? Same problem as with labels: flat name > space. > > We can use labels and components these for many other purposes. Separate > > discussion. > > > > > > Aren’t we doing this already? Probably. I have not checked thoroughly. > > There may occasionally be epics that link to other epics. If so, I would > > merely like to encourage us to use this powerful expressive means more > > often. > > > > > > Bernd > > > > > > > > > > -- > Deshi Xiao > Twitter: xds2000 > E-mail: xiaods(AT)gmail.com >
