Er, What Rob said.

Hey, hi Rob!

-Brian

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Brian McCallister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You *will* almost always see better performance for blocking IO with a low
> number (1700 in his test) of connections/threads.
>
> NBIO is more interesting when you want a lot of connections.
>
> -Brian
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Rob Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I suspect this comes down to using the right tool (or API) for the job.
> >
> > * Latency will be lower with normal IO because only a single thread is
> > involved with no hand-off between the IO thread and the 'worker' thread.
> >
> > * In general throughput will be higher with normal IO as long as the
> > number of connections/threads is reasonable.  Probably a few hundred
> > simultaneous connections/threads on most OS's, more on Linux with NPTL.  You
> > can probably get to 4-5K connections/threads on NPTL safely, but now your
> > limited to only running on Linux with NPTL.  If you want that many
> > simultaneous connections on other OS's, you should use NIO.
> >
> > * If your needs are lots of simultaneous connections (10K or more), that
> > aren't very IO heavy, NIO is the way to go - even on NPTL.
> >
> > You can't even say that an HTTP server should use normal IO, or should
> > use NIO - because it depends on how the HTTP server is going to be used.  If
> > your going to have lots of clients doing ajax stuff or using continuations,
> > go with NIO.  If not, use normal IO.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Mike Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:23:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: NIO vs NPTL+standard IO
> >
> > I've
> > suspected
> > for
> > a
> > while
> > that
> > you
> > can
> > getter
> > better
> > performance
> > using
> > thread-per-connection
> > on
> > Java.
> > I've
> > never
> > actually
> > tested
> > this
> > theory
> > though.
> > There
> > are
> > certainly
> > a
> > lot
> > of
> > scenarios
> > where
> > you
> > can
> > get
> > lower
> > latency
> > using
> > thread-per-connection
> > because
> > you
> > don't
> > have
> > the
> > overhead
> > of
> > queuing.
> >
> > Perhaps
> > we
> > should
> > start
> > looking
> > seriously
> > at
> > implementing
> > thread-per-connection
> > IoServices
> > for
> > MINA
> > so
> > we
> > can
> > do
> > some
> > apples
> > to
> > apples
> > performance
> > comparisons
> > between
> > NIO,
> > IO,
> > and
> > APR.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > Stefano
> > Bagnara
> > wrote:
> > >
> > Today
> > I
> > found
> > another
> > blog
> > post
> > on
> > the
> > "usual"
> > topic:
> > >
> >
> > http://mailinator.blogspot.com/2008/02/kill-myth-please-nio-is-not-faster-than.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Is
> > this
> > FUD
> > or
> > a
> > new
> > trend
> > that
> > MINA
> > should
> > take
> > care
> > of?
> > >
> > >
> > Is
> > there
> > any
> > plan
> > to
> > support
> > standard
> > IO
> > as
> > a
> > transport
> > for
> > MINA
> > based
> > >
> > applications?
> > >
> > >
> > It
> > would
> > be
> > useful
> > to
> > understand
> > how
> > a
> > MINA
> > based
> > application
> > could
> > >
> > "switch
> > back"
> > to
> > multithreaded
> > standard
> > IO
> > and
> > result
> > in
> > better
> > >
> > throughput
> > on
> > modern
> > JVM/OS.
> > >
> > >
> > Thank
> > you,
> > >
> > Stefano
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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