From Shanghai, the closest endpoint (automatically chosen endpoint) is in Tokyo
and download speed for mxnet-mkl was on average 1.7 MB/s with a maximum of 5
MB/s during my test.

On Sun, 2019-12-08 at 01:30 +0000, Sheng Zha wrote:
> > Heres a set of links for today’s builds
> > 
> > (Plain mxnet, no mkl no cuda)
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > (mxnet-mkl)
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > (mxnet-cuXXX)
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu90-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu92-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu100-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu101-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > (mxnet-cuXXXmkl)
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu90mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu92mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu100mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu101mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> 
> These links are not utilizing the s3 accelerate feature (i.e. not backed by
> cloudfront edges). Please use repo.mxnet.io instead. The updated links are:
> (Plain mxnet, no mkl no cuda)
> https://repo.mxnet.io/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> (mxnet-mkl)
> https://repo.mxnet.io/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> (mxnet-cuXXX)
> https://repo.mxnet.io/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu90-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> https://repo.mxnet.io/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu92-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> https://repo.mxnet.io/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu100-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> https://repo.mxnet.io/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu101-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> (mxnet-cuXXXmkl)
> https://repo.mxnet.io/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu90mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> https://repo.mxnet.io/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu92mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> https://repo.mxnet.io/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu100mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> https://repo.mxnet.io/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu101mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> 
> When updating the installation doc we should use repo.mxnet.io domain name
> too.
> 
> Best,
> -sz
> 
> On 2019/12/07 17:39:40, "Skalicky, Sam" <sska...@amazon.com.INVALID> wrote: 
> > Hi MXNet Community,
> > 
> > We have been working on getting nightly builds fixed and made available
> > again. We’ve made another system using AWS CodeBuild & S3 to work around the
> > problems with Jenkins CI, PyPI, etc. It is currently building all the
> > flavors and publishing to an S3 bucket here:
> > https://us-west-2.console.aws.amazon.com/s3/buckets/apache-mxnet/dist/?region=us-west-2
> > 
> > There are folders for each set of nightly builds, try out the wheels
> > starting today 2019-12-07. Builds start at 1:30am PT (9:30am GMT) and arrive
> > in the bucket 30min-2hours later. Inside each folder are the wheels for each
> > flavor of MXNet. Currently we’re only building for linux, builds for
> > windows/Mac will come later.
> > 
> > If you want to download the wheels easily you can use a URL in the form of:
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/<YYYY-MM-DD>/dist/<mxnet_build>-1.6.0b<YYYYMMDD>-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > 
> > Heres a set of links for today’s builds
> > 
> > (Plain mxnet, no mkl no cuda)
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > (mxnet-mkl)
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > (mxnet-cuXXX)
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu90-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu92-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu100-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu101-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > (mxnet-cuXXXmkl)
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu90mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu92mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu100mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet_cu101mkl-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > 
> > You can easily install these pip wheels in your system either by downloading
> > them to your machine first and then installing by doing:
> > 
> > pip install /path/to/downloaded/wheel.whl
> > 
> > Or you can install directly by just giving the link to pip like this:
> > 
> > pip install 
> > https://apache-mxnet.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dist/2019-12-07/dist/mxnet-1.6.0b20191207-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > 
> > Credit goes to everyone involved (in no particular order)
> > Rakesh Vasudevan
> > Zach Kimberg
> > Manu Seth
> > Sheng Zha
> > Jun Wu
> > Pedro Larroy
> > Chaitanya Bapat
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > Sam
> > 
> > 
> > On Dec 5, 2019, at 1:16 AM, Lausen, Leonard <lau...@amazon.com.INVALID<mailt
> > o:lau...@amazon.com.INVALID>> wrote:
> > 
> > We don't loose pip by hosting on S3. We just don't host nightly releases on
> > Pypi
> > servers and mirror them to several hundred mirrors immediately after each
> > build
> > is published which is very expensive for the Pypi project.. People can still
> > install the nightly builds with pip by specifying the -f option.
> > 
> > Uploading weekly releases to Pypi will reduce the cost for Pypi by ~75% [1].
> > It
> > may be acceptable to Pypi, but does it make sense for us? I'm not convinced
> > weekly release on Pypi is a good idea. Consider one release is buggy, users
> > will
> > need to wait for 7 days for a fix. It doesn't provide good user experience.
> > If someone has a stronger conviction about the value of weekly releases on
> > Pypi,
> > that person shall please go ahead and propose it in a separate discussion
> > thread.
> > 
> > Currently we don't have generally working nightly builds to Pypi and as a
> > matter
> > of fact we know that we can't have them due to Pypi's policy and our
> > apparent
> > need for large binaries. Given this fact and that no objection was raised by
> > 2019-12-05 at 05:42 UTC, I conclude we have lazy consensus on stopping
> > upload
> > attempts of nightly builds to Pypi.
> > 
> > With consensus established, we can change the CI job to stop trying to
> > upload
> > the nightly builds and then request Pypi to increase the limit. Then we have
> > one
> > less blocker for the 1.6 release.
> > 
> > Best regards
> > Leonard
> > 
> > [1]: Lower cost due to less releases, but higher cost due to 500MB -> 800MB
> > limit increase. Assuming that the limit increase translates into actually
> > larger
> > binaries.
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 2019-12-04 at 22:20 +0100, Marco de Abreu wrote:
> > Are weekly releases an option? It was brought up as concern that we might
> > lose pip as a pretty common distribution channel where people consume
> > nightly builds. I don't feel like that concern has been properly addressed
> > so far.
> > 
> > -Marco
> > 
> > Lausen, Leonard <lau...@amazon.com.invalid<mailto:lau...@amazon.com.invalid>
> > > schrieb am Mi., 4. Dez. 2019,
> > 04:09:
> > 
> > As a simple POC to test distribution, you can try installing MXNet based on
> > these 3 URLs:
> > 
> > pip install --no-cache-dir
> > 
> > https://mxnet-dev.s3.amazonaws.com/mxnet_cu101-1.5.1.post0-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > pip install --no-cache-dir
> > 
> > https://mxnet-dev.s3-accelerate.amazonaws.com/mxnet_cu101-1.5.1.post0-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > pip install --no-cache-dir https://d19zq12jzu4w95.cloudfront.net/
> > mxnet_cu101-1.5.1.post0-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > <
> > https://d19zq12jzu4w95.cloudfront.net/mxnet_cu101-1.5.1.post0-py2.py3-none-manylinux1_x86_64.whl
> > 
> > 
> > where --no-cache-dir prevents caching the downloaded file, for the purpose
> > of
> > testing. (cu101 chosen based on large size)
> > 
> > The first URL uses standard S3 bucket in US. The second uses S3 Accelerate
> > based
> > on CloudFront CDN. And the third uses CloudFront CDN. I'm adding the third
> > URL,
> > as S3 Accelerate may or may not use all new CloudFront endpoints yet.
> > 
> > Regarding voting: Uploading to Pypi is currently impossible, which is a
> > reality
> > (so there is no option to continue as we do currently). Pypi folks
> > indicated
> > they will unblock our uploads to Pypi once we stop uploading nightly
> > releases
> > and taking up 20% of their ressources [1].
> > 
> > If there are any shortcomings or problems identified with uploading to S3,
> > we
> > can work to address them. But for now, status quo is broken and this seems
> > the
> > only solution addressing Pypi's problem.
> > 
> > I don't mind if you state that you object to lazy consensus and start a
> > vote. If
> > your "maybe [...] start a proper vote" was supposed to be an objection to
> > lazy
> > consensus, please state so clearly (I'm not sure if "maybe" qualifies as
> > objection). Though I think it only makes sense with at least 2 options to
> > vote
> > on. Status quo is not a meaningful option, as it is already broken.
> > 
> > Best regards
> > Leonard
> > 
> > [1]: https://github.com/pypa/pypi-support/issues/50#issuecomment-560479706
> > 
> > On Tue, 2019-12-03 at 19:28 +0100, Marco de Abreu wrote:
> > Excellent! Could we maybe come up with a POC and a quick writeup and then
> > start a proper vote after everyone verified that it covers their
> > use-cases?
> > -Marco
> > 
> > Sheng Zha <zhash...@apache.org> schrieb am Di., 3. Dez. 2019, 19:24:
> > 
> > Yes, there is. We can also make it easier to access by using a
> > geo-location based DNS server so that China users are directed to that
> > local mirror. The rest of the world is already covered by the global
> > cloudfront.
> > 
> > -sz
> > 
> > On 2019/12/03 18:22:22, Marco de Abreu <marco.g.ab...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > Isn't there an s3 endpoint in Beijing?
> > 
> > It seems like this topic still warrants some discussion and thus I'd
> > 
> > prefer
> > if we don't move forward with lazy consensus.
> > 
> > -Marco
> > 
> > Tao Lv <mutou...@gmail.com> schrieb am Di., 3. Dez. 2019, 14:31:
> > 
> > * For pypi, we can use mirrors.
> > 
> > On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 9:28 PM Tao Lv <mutou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > As we have many users in China, I'm considering the
> > accessibility of
> > S3.
> > For pip, we can mirrors.
> > 
> > On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 3:24 PM Lausen, Leonard
> > 
> > <lau...@amazon.com.invalid
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I would like to remind everyone that lazy consensus is assumed
> > if no
> > objections
> > are raised before 2019-12-05 at 05:42 UTC. There has been some
> > 
> > discussion
> > about
> > the proposal, but to my understanding no objections were
> > raised.
> > If the proposal is accepted, MXNet releases would be installed
> > via
> >   pip install mxnet
> > 
> > And release candidates via
> > 
> >  pip install --pre mxnet
> > 
> > (or with the respective cuda version specifier appended etc.)
> > 
> > To obtain releases built automatically from the master branch,
> > users
> > would need
> > to specify something like "-f
> > http://mxnet.s3.amazonaws.com/mxnet-X/nightly.html"; option to
> > pip.
> > Best regards
> > Leonard
> > 
> > On Mon, 2019-12-02 at 05:42 +0000, Lausen, Leonard wrote:
> > Hi MXNet Community,
> > 
> > since more than 2 months our binary Python nightly releases
> > 
> > published
> > on Pypi
> > are broken. The problem is that our binaries exceed Pypi's
> > size
> > limit.
> > Decreasing the binary size by adding compression breaks
> > 
> > third-party
> > libraries
> > loading libmxnet.so
> > 
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/16193
> > Sheng requested Pypi to increase their size limit:
> > https://github.com/pypa/pypi-support/issues/50
> > 
> > Currently "the biggest cost for PyPI from [the many MXNet
> > binaries
> > with
> > nightly
> > release to Pypi] is the bandwidth consumed when several
> > hundred
> > mirrors
> > attempt
> > to mirror each release immediately after it's published". So
> > Pypi
> > is
> > not
> > inclined to allow us to upload even larger binaries on a
> > nightly
> > schedule.
> > Their compromise is to allow it on a weekly cadence.
> > 
> > However, I would like the community to revisit the necessity
> > of
> > releasing pre-
> > release binaries to Pypi on a nightly (or weekly) cadence.
> > 
> > Instead, we
> > can
> > release nightly binaries ONLY to a public S3 bucket and
> > instruct
> > users
> > to
> > install from there. On our side, we only need to prepare a
> > html
> > document that
> > contains links to all released nightly binaries.
> > Finally users will install the nightly releases via
> > 
> >  pip install --pre mxnet-cu101 -f
> > 
> > http://mxnet.s3.amazonaws.com/mxnet-cu101/
> > nightly.html
> > 
> > Instead of
> > 
> >  pip install --pre mxnet-cu101
> > 
> > Of course proper releases and release candidates should
> > still be
> > made
> > available
> > via Pypi. Thus releases would be installed via
> > 
> >  pip install mxnet-cu101
> > 
> > And release candidates via
> > 
> >  pip install --pre mxnet-cu101
> > 
> > This will substantially reduce the costs of the Pypi project
> > and
> > in
> > fact
> > matches
> > the installation experience provided by PyTorch. I don't
> > think the
> > benefit of
> > not including "-f
> > 
> > http://mxnet.s3.amazonaws.com/mxnet-cu101/nightly.html";
> > matches the costs we currently externalize to the Pypi team.
> > 
> > This suggestion seems uncontroversial to me. Thus I would
> > like to
> > start
> > lazy
> > consensus. If there are no objections, I will assume lazy
> > 
> > consensus on
> > stopping
> > nightly releases to Pypi in 72hrs.
> > 
> > Best regards
> > Leonard
> > 
> > 

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