> I'm not sure what you mean by "instead of". Gump is a different beast 
> entirely, and isn't related to whether you use CVS or SVN. 
> It's more of a 
> continuous integration tool, although its goal is to ensure 
> that changes 
> in one project don't inadvertently break other projects, 
> rather than to 
> work on a project by project basis.

sure like cruise control!
Not Gump *instead of* CVS/Subversion ;-)
instead of migrating process, since we
here have guys that relay on CVS...

sorry for missunderstanding email...

> > Does anybody know much about GUMP?
> 
> I'm not an expert by any means. But I know enough to see that 
> MyFaces is 
> already building successfully in Gump. For example, see the log at:
> 
> http://brutus.apache.org/gump/public/buildLog.html

Ah! I expected, that should be setup by a project,
but still done. 

Do you also know where the nightly builds are stored?
or aren't they stored?

> > Btw. Martin, are you using GUMP inside
> > of Struts?
> 
> Gump isn't typically used by projects themselves. Rather, 
> there is a Gump 
> installation that builds just about everything at the ASF (and many 
> projects from elsewhere as well) several times a day. If your project 
> breaks, you will receive "nag" messages telling you that.

thanks for pointing this out!
that was new for me, that it also builds MyFaces.
-Matthias

> --
> Martin Cooper
> 
> 
> > Thanks,
> > Matthias
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Martin Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:35 PM
> >> To: MyFaces Development
> >> Subject: Re: A few more suggestions
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, Bill Dudney wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ted,
> >>>
> >>> Would it be possible for us to stay in CVS for the next 
> few months 
> >>> then  do the conversion? I've not had to do it myself but 
> I've read
> >> that the cvs2svn
> >>> script is supposed to do a good job of moving all the
> >> history over. Once the
> >>> IDE plugins catch up we could make the jump.
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> I'm not Ted ;-) but I would say that shouldn't be a problem - 
> >> depending, of course, on how many months a "few" turns out 
> to be. ;-) 
> >> But we can cross that bridge when we come to it.
> >>
> >> The cvs2svn tool does a great job of preserving 
> everything, history 
> >> and all. Once you're ready to make the move, the usual practice
> >> is to load
> >> everything into a test repo, let people play around with it
> >> for a couple
> >> of days, and then give infrasructure the nod. It should be 
> quick and
> >> painless for all involved.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Martin Cooper
> >>
> >>
> >>> -bd-
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 17, 2005, at 4:26 PM, Ted Husted wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Moving to Subversion was "strongly suggested" when we 
> drafted the 
> >>>> incubator proposal. However, the developers felt that the CVS IDE
> >> tools were more
> >>>> mature, and that they would prefer to wait before switching.
> >>>>
> >>>> To receive the CVS logs, subscribe to 
> >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Ted.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:21:00 -0800 (PST), Martin Cooper wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> �On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Sean Schofield wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> �I have a few more suggestions for the MyFaces 
> development team:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> �#1) Consider moving from CVS to Subversion (SVN) when
> >> its time to
> >>>>>> �leave the incubator. �Apache has both types of repositories
> >>>>>> �available. Struts just recently moved to SVN and 
> people like it.
> >>>>>> �I'm not totally familiar with advantages vs.
> >> disadvantages but it
> >>>>>> �seems to be a lot more flexible. �If this is something we'd
> >>>>>> �consider than it would be best to do it at the same time as
> >>>>>> �MyFaces leaves the incubator.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> �I would strongly encourage this. Apart from the fact 
> that all of
> >>>>> �the ASF repositories will eventually be required to 
> move from CVS
> >>>>> �to SVN, SVN really does have some excellent advantages. The two
> >>>>> �biggest, in my experience, are atomic commits (meaning that all
> >>>>> �changes within one commit are handled as a single
> >> transaction) and
> >>>>> �ease of refactoring. From an infrastructure perspective, using
> >>>>> �moving to SVN means that individual Unix accounts for every
> >>>>> �committer are no longer required.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> �#2) Regardless of whether we use SVN or CVS, it would 
> be nice to
> >>>>>> �email the developer's list when users check in. �This is a
> >>>>>> �standard practice with other Apache projects and helps
> >> developers
> >>>>>> �keep track of changes to the codebase.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> �Yep. Not sure why this isn't happening already.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> �--
> >>>>> �Martin Cooper
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> �sean
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> 

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