OK I am going to put together a *new* simplifed-examples folder and WAR and tweak the build scripts. We'll leave the current ones alone. It sounds like we have 100% agreement on that so I'll go ahead. If someone is available for check-in in a few hours please let me know.
sean On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:57:05 -0600, Heath Borders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems like we should keep our extensions/components in a separate > branch from our api/impl this would encourage interoperability between > different implementations. > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:52:54 +0100, Matthias Wessendorf > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > done. > > > > Bruno Aranda wrote: > > > I think we could add the FAQ: Can I use myFaces extensions with the JSF > > > RI? > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:32:54 -0500, Sean Schofield > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>Thanks Matthias for all the work on the website! > > >> > > >>On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:29:15 +0100, Matthias Wessendorf > > >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >>>Manfred, > > >>> > > >>>thanks for feedback. > > >>> > > >>>Ok so we will have as far as I see our current website app > > >>>and soon simplified web app. > > >>> > > >>>On subproject I don't want to run mailinglist on CVS > > >>> > > >>>and so on. Only a special folder in CVS like the > > >>>Struts guys do with their subprojects (eg flow) > > >>> > > >>>@website: I just made some changes. Some other are following. > > >>>One topic was Tomcat5.5.x issue. > > >>> > > >>>I am just uploading it! > > >>> > > >>>Did I miss something? > > >>> > > >>>-Matthias > > >>> > > >>>Manfred Geiler wrote: > > >>> > > >>>>Why *replace* current examples? > > >>>>Let's start a new webapp called "simplesamples" or "tutorial" or > > >>>>similar. At the time when every single component is part of this new > > >>>>webapp we could still remove the old examples or make it deprecated. No > > >>>>need to hurry, IMHO. > > >>>> > > >>>>+1 for simplified version > > >>>>-1 for replacing the old examples now > > >>>> > > >>>>Regarding subproject: > > >>>>Before dealing with the question of making a subproject for the > > >>>>examples, we should rather think about making the extensions and > > >>>>components a subproject, IMHO. > > >>>>And if we speak of a subproject, we must also come to a common sense of > > >>>>what we mean by that. Does subproject also mean a completely separated > > >>>>CVS dir? That would make things unnecessary difficult (build process, > > >>>>etc.), I think. Should we have separated mailing-lists? Hmm, even now > > >>>>people sometimes have problems to differentiate between our two lists. > > >>>>;-) So, what remains, is the structure of our docs and the homepage. > > >>>>Would be enough, IMHO. Clear separation of the kind "Getting started > > >>>>with MyFaces Impl" , "Replacing RI", "MyFaces extended standard > > >>>>components", "MyFaces custom components" and so on. > > >>>>Thoughts? > > >>>> > > >>>>Manfred > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>Matthias Wessendorf schrieb: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>Hi, > > >>>>> > > >>>>>I thought about something like a *subproject* for our > > >>>>>MyFaces examples sometimes before. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>We have now lot's of (different) applications that > > >>>>>demonstrated the use of MyFaces (and its components) > > >>>>> > > >>>>>-the *hot* disscussed MyFaces-exmaple > > >>>>>-Tiles example > > >>>>>-WAP/WML example > > >>>>>-the new HelloWorld example > > >>>>> > > >>>>>that is a lot's of good stuff! > > >>>>> > > >>>>>So why not creating a subproject for that? > > >>>>>MyFaces is toplevel project and there is room > > >>>>>for something like that. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>Struts has a similar facility. On SF they host > > >>>>>some *cool* examples or enhancements that are > > >>>>>not inside the *core* of Struts. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>We must not host our examples @sf, but we could > > >>>>>start with something like > > >>>>> > > >>>>>http://myfaces.apache.org/examples > > >>>>> > > >>>>>so there is also room for some real world > > >>>>>examples (using Spring, Hibernate, EJB,...) > > >>>>>and also for the simplefied example. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>What do you think about something like that? > > >>>>> > > >>>>>-Matthias > > >>>>> > > >>>>>Sean Schofield wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>The vote is only on replacing the myfaces-examples with one that does > > >>>>>>not use the menu, verbatim, etc. I agree that a fancy application > > >>>>>>that shows off MyFaces is a good idea. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>Right now though, the examples are mostly used to show how each > > >>>>>>component works. Its hard to focus on that when you are dealing with > > >>>>>>subviews, menus, etc. So again: Can we replace myfaces-examples with > > >>>>>>the simplified version? That is the question I am posing. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>As for the RI, those examples are not really relevant. If you want to > > >>>>>>know how to use the tree component you will need a simplified example > > >>>>>>from MyFaces. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>sean > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:38:53 -0800, Derek Shen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>>>>wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>Sorry, not going to vote here. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>I think what we need is multiple set of well-organized examples. > > >>>>>>>Here're some ideas I can come up with: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>1. simple examples - more like the helloworld and guess number type > > >>>>>>>of > > >>>>>>>examples. This set of exmaples are simple and more generic. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>2. MyFaces specific examples - show the power of the new features > > >>>>>>>MyFaces provides, e.g. new JSF components, tiles integration and > > >>>>>>>portlet integration, etc. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>3. More complex real world examples - like Petstore or duke's > > >>>>>>>bookstore application. It not only shows JSF, but also shows the > > >>>>>>>integration between JSF, and other frameworks, e.g. Spring, > > >>>>>>>Hibernate, > > >>>>>>>JDO, EJB, etc. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>If I have to vote, I would vote -1. The examples we have now are > > >>>>>>>pretty good. It is always easy to get the simple examples, e.g. from > > >>>>>>>Sun JSF RI and migrated it to MyFaces by simply replacing some jars. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>Derek > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:49:21 -0500, Sean Schofield > > >>>>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>OK I am changing the subject to a simple vote. +1 if you favor > > >>>>>>>>*replacing* myfaces-examples with a simplified version that strips > > >>>>>>>>away the menu stuff. This is not a decision on how to handle > > >>>>>>>>testing. > > >>>>>>>>I'd like Matthias to commit what I've sent him for reasons I > > >>>>>>>>explained earlier. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>+1 = yes simplified examples is better > > >>>>>>>>-1 = no leave examples the way they are > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>For reference, Matthias posted a WAR he made using the files I sent > > >>>>>>>>him. IMO you can easily imagine what this looks like without having > > >>>>>>>>to do download it :-) > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>http://www.apache.org/~matzew/myfaces-sean.war > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>sean > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>btw I vote +1 > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:06:20 -0500, Sean Schofield > > >>>>>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>Martin, > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>Matthias seemed to interpret your answer as favoring two sets of > > >>>>>>>>>examples. One for simple examples and one basically the way it is > > >>>>>>>>>now. I had a slightly different take on your answer. I thought > > >>>>>>>>>you > > >>>>>>>>>were agreeing with Sylvain that we should have one set of test > > >>>>>>>>>examples and one set of simple examples. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>Are we both correct? Did you mean that the current examples would > > >>>>>>>>>be > > >>>>>>>>>the test examples? I don't personally think this is a good idea. > > >>>>>>>>>Basically we will just be maintaining a second set of every > > >>>>>>>>>example. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>I think the test examples do not have to be inside the menu, etc. > > >>>>>>>>>Obviously you want a *single* test example (and simple example) > > >>>>>>>>>that > > >>>>>>>>>uses the menu. But keeping every example inside the menu > > >>>>>>>>>framework is > > >>>>>>>>>what I object to. Its harder to understand and maintain. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>I have a few more simple examples to contribute but I am waiting > > >>>>>>>>>for > > >>>>>>>>>this to be resolved. Also I noticed Sylvain just updated his > > >>>>>>>>>HtmlEditor example. Since I've already done all the work to > > >>>>>>>>>simplify > > >>>>>>>>>the examples we should decide if we are going to use them before > > >>>>>>>>>more > > >>>>>>>>>changes are made. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>sean > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>-- > > >>>Matthias We�endorf > > >>>Aechterhoek 18 > > >>>DE-48282 Emsdetten > > >>>Germany > > >>>phone: +49-2572-9170275 > > >>>cell phone: +49-179-1118979 > > >>>email: matzew AT apache DOT org > > >>>url: http://www.wessendorf.net > > >>>callto://mwessendorf (Skype) > > >>>icq: 47016183 > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > -- > > Matthias We�endorf > > Aechterhoek 18 > > DE-48282 Emsdetten > > Germany > > phone: +49-2572-9170275 > > cell phone: +49-179-1118979 > > email: matzew AT apache DOT org > > url: http://www.wessendorf.net > > callto://mwessendorf (Skype) > > icq: 47016183 > > > > -- > -Heath Borders-Wing > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
