Well, I know I may not say this from a theoretical point of view.

Ok, I'll do it anyways. It's just too much fun.

I don't see the managed beans (except for creation) in the controller
layer, nor do I see them in the navigation handler layer. Guck, guck,
where are you?

If I try to fit them in, I have to bend my knees and stick something
up my a.. (yes, another configuration file, with a cool new format, is
that nice).

regards,

Martin

On 4/6/06, Adam Winer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/6/06, Martin Marinschek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Adam,
> >
> > we've been through the phase listener approach already. Was nice, but
> > with security it doesn't work out.
> >
> > How do you restrict what can be applied to the backing beans or the
> > components? It's just not possible, except you configure it somehow.
>
> Well, sure:  you have to configure it!  To do bookmarking right,
> you need new metadata that doesn't exist anywhere .  You can
> either put that metadata in the view - where it doesn't fit well - or
> in the controller/NavigationHandler layer - where it fits naturally.
> That means a custom NavigationHandler with a new configuration
> file.
>
> -- Adam
>
>
> > John (I think) suggested to do it in the navigation rules of the
> > faces-config.xml, but there it will be implementation specific, except
> > you get it in the spec.
> >
> > So for now, the best solution will be to do the configuration in the
> > view itself.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On 4/5/06, Adam Winer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Why do we need a component to take values out of the request and
> > > apply them to a managed bean?  JSF managed-beans can do this
> > > right now without putting anything in the component tree.
> > >
> > > I don't think bookmarkability is something that should be
> > > approached from the perspective of the component tree - it
> > > should be tackled as an application-level concern - generate
> > > bookmarkable links via ViewHandler.createActionURL(), handle
> > > restoring state on the incoming requests via a PhaseListener.
> > >
> > > -- Adam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/5/06, Mario Ivankovits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Hi!
> > > > > 3) create a new component, which takes the values out of the request,
> > > > > and reapplies them either to another component, or the managed bean.
> > > > > It could look much like the aliasBean today.
> > > > Ok, finally I think this is not that bad idea :-)
> > > >
> > > > It defines the possibilities within the view (which is my main
> > > > requirement) and thus makes it easily possible to use all the jsf
> > > > functionality.
> > > >
> > > > I propose to also have the possibility to attach converter/validators 
> > > > to it.
> > > > So the tag will be something like:
> > > >
> > > > <t:getParam name="urlParamName" value="#{managedBean.property}">
> > > >     <f:convertNumber
> > > >         minFractionDigits="2"
> > > >         groupingUsed="true" />
> > > >     <f:validateLength maximum="10" minimum="2"/>
> > > > </t:getParam>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > May I also propose to put all those getParam into a container elemenent
> > > > - e.g. getParams
> > > > This might make it possible to do e.g.
> > > >
> > > > <t:getParams renderBookmarkLink="true">
> > > >     <f:facet name="text">
> > > >         <h:outputText value="link value" />
> > > >     </f:facet>
> > > >     <t:getParam name="urlParamName" value="#{managedBean.property}">
> > > >         <f:convertNumber
> > > >             minFractionDigits="2"
> > > >             groupingUsed="true" />
> > > >         <f:validateLength maximum="10" minimum="2"/>
> > > >     </t:getParam>
> > > > </t:getParams>
> > > >
> > > > This will not only set the parameters to the property in case of a get
> > > > request, but will also generate a "bookmark me" link. Using javascript
> > > > only a single click will be required to add it to the favorites.
> > > >
> > > > For those not willing to use such links we can provide a way to add the
> > > > parameters to the url by using a special navigation entry.
> > > > Someone else on the ML mentioned it, but I dont know who it was - sorry.
> > > >
> > > >     <navigation-rule>
> > > >         <navigation-case>
> > > >             <from-outcome>MyOutcome</from-outcome>
> > > >
> > > > <to-view-id>/Bookmarkable.jsp?param=#{managerBean.property}</to-view-id>
> > > >             <redirect />
> > > >         </navigation-case>
> > > >     </navigation-rule>
> > > >
> > > > In this case it is not possible to add a special converter, though one
> > > > will be used if its possible to find one for the property-type.
> > > >
> > > > It will only work with <redirect/>, but I'll start fixing
> > > > http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-516 then there should be a
> > > > problem with this.
> > > > I know, it will work without fixing MYFACES-516 as the page is
> > > > "bookmarkable", but I also think that such pages are able in dual mode,
> > > > means: with or without previously added request parameters. And we still
> > > > have to preserve stuff like messages, locales, etc.
> > > >
> > > > The real link generation should be routed through an interface to make
> > > > it possible to create links ala TinyURL, encryption and/or compression.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Looks like this will be a really nice solution.
> > > > Lets define who does what ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Ciao,
> > > > Mario
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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