Hi,
if it makes any sense using sev-en in an app without using also
orchestra (i did know very few of both) -1 for include into orchestra.
Regards,
Volker
2008/4/9, Cagatay Civici <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > my position on this is we could make sev-en part of orchestra, if the
> > orchestra crew really, really wants it. If not, this should just be a
> > separate sub-module in MyFaces. It is interesting enough to stand on
> > its own.
>
> +1 for that if Orchestra team has interest, -1 for a submodule.
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 4:38 AM, Martin Marinschek
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi *,
> >
> > my position on this is we could make sev-en part of orchestra, if the
> > orchestra crew really, really wants it. If not, this should just be a
> > separate sub-module in MyFaces. It is interesting enough to stand on
> > its own.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Hazem Saleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > Iam just suggesting a standard way of validation that we are going to
> > > implement in the next days which can be useful later for JSF or EJB
> > > projects.
> > > This project is currently a subproject of the apache commons project.
> > > IMHO if sev-en can support JSR-303 annotations, this will be great!
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > hello,
> > > >
> > > > (the sev-en core doesn't provide specific annotations.
> > > > maybe there will be an annotation module to support jsr 303
> annotations,
> > > which might act as adapter for the project you mentioned.)
> > > >
> > > > or are you suggesting to publish sev-en as a sub-project of the
> commons
> > > project?
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > > gerhard
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2008/4/7, Hazem Saleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi All...
> > > > >
> > > > > There is already an ongoing activity to implement JSR#303 -
> > > http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=303 - and we
> started it as an Apache
> > > Commons Sandbox project. Following links for discussion threads and the
> svn
> > > repo of the new project:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.jakarta.commons.devel/102655
> > > > >
> > > > >
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.jakarta.commons.devel/102683
> > > > >
> > > > >
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/commons/sandbox/validator2/
> > > > >
> > > > > IMHO this will be a good base for more specific validation
> requirements,
> > > like JSF or EJB specific validations.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > hello cagatay,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i see your point. however, i don't agree. to keep it short:
> > > > > > i don't like the idea to restrict sev-en to orchestra.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > don't get me wrong - orchestra is really great!
> > > > > > however, it isn't alone out there.
> > > > > > (e.g. spring web flow and much more)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > if sev-en is a goody or not is in the eye of the beholder.
> > > > > > i would say e.g.: the possible jpa support is a goody of sev-en.
> > > > > > (the core of sev-en doesn't depend on jpa or something else. the
> core
> > > depends only on the jsf api and at the moment on commons-logging ;))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > regards,
> > > > > > gerhard
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2008/4/4, Cagatay Civici <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think Orchestra is kinda out of it's original scope, Mario and
> > > Simon couldn't resist and add many cool useful features like
> viewController,
> > > dynaForm and more that are not related to conversations and persistence.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Orchestra is becoming our alternative to seam, sev-en is a
> goodie
> > > right? So rather than a seperate project, I've no problem if it gets
> merged
> > > in Orchestra, just my 2 cents, it's up to further discussion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cagatay
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Kito D. Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: Gerhard Petracek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:47 PM
> > > > > > > > To: MyFaces Development; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [proposal] jsf validation with annotations
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > hello kito,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > you can put every extension into a "commons" module.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I see what you're saying. I suppose the main issue is the size
> of
> > > the module, and the number of perceived users.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To be honest, I think Tomahawk is a better place for it, since
> > > Tomahawk contains a lot of stuff that belongs in the JSF core, like some
> > > basic validators.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > orchestra is about conversations and persistence
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > sev-en is about validation (simple and cross-component
> validation)
> > > > > > > > at the moment i'm not aware of the difference.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > it might be ok to put specific sev-en annotation modules into
> the
> > > commons module (as i said - they are independent of the sev-en core).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > regards,
> > > > > > > > gerhard
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2008/4/4, Kito D. Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gerhard,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Actually, it's different. Commons is a collection of useful
> > > utilities and features. Think of it in terms of the Apache Commons.
> > > Orchestra is about conversations and persistence contexts.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: Gerhard Petracek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:56 PM
> > > > > > > > To: MyFaces Development
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [proposal] jsf validation with annotations
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > hello leonardo,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > concerning myfaces-commons-sev-en:
> > > > > > > > i don't agree. it's similar if you suggest to merge
> > > myfaces-orchestra with myfaces-commons. - in my opinion that's not a
> good
> > > idea.
> > > > > > > > sev-en should stay independent!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > + commons-sev-en sounds strage. :)
> > > > > > > > (the pronunciation isn't [sev] ... [en] - it's like the 7 in
> > > english)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > regards,
> > > > > > > > gerhard
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2008/4/4, Leonardo Uribe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have tried the demo on my workstation, and in my opinion is
> a
> > > very cool idea and this should be on myfaces :)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The idea of include with myfaces-commons sounds better that
> put
> > > this on orchestra (someone could want to use this only). Maybe
> > > myfaces-commons-sev-en.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > regards
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Leonardo Uribe
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Gerhard Petracek
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > hello andrew,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > sev-en is completely independent of orchestra or the idea
> behind
> > > it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > regards,
> > > > > > > > gerhard
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2008/4/4, Andrew Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Since this is currently supported in Seam and Orchestra is a
> Seam
> > > > > > > > spin-off/clone, perhaps this should be incorporated into
> Orchestra
> > > > > > > > instead of yet another project.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 4:45 AM, Matthias Wessendorf
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > sev-en is a new jsf-extension.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > sev-en allows jsf validation with annotations!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > some central features:
> > > > > > > > > > - cross-component validation (including cross-entity
> > > validation)
> > > > > > > > > > - support for jpa based validation
> > > > > > > > > > - zero configuration
> > > > > > > > > > - extensible (e.g. custom annotations)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > you will find some previews (descriptions [1], examples
> [2]
> > > and much more)
> > > > > > > > > > at the sev-en section [3] of my new open source blog.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > what's your opinion about this extension?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > sounds interesting. Is that levering the "bean validation"
> JSR
> > > ?
> > > > > > > > > Would be cool to have a little bit more standard oriented
> > > validation
> > > > > > > > > "framework".
> > > > > > > > > Otherwise (IMO) that would be just something similar to
> > > @Hibernate's validators
> > > > > > > > > (used heavily in Seam)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -M
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > regards,
> > > > > > > > > > gerhard
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > [1]
> http://os890.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-jsf-extension.html
> > > > > > > > > > [2]
> > >
> http://os890.blogspot.com/2008/04/sev-en-preview-short-example.html
> > > > > > > > > > [3]
> http://os890.blogspot.com/search/label/sev-en
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