blake, can you create an issue for "updating version support format for
skinning"
assign it to me (only if you want), add this class as a an attachement
and if you guys (from Oracle) decide that you can pre donate the regex for
determining the agent version, please add those too
I'll handle it in the next days
cheers
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 4:29 AM, Jeanne Waldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> +1. I really like the *.
>
> Glauco P. Gomes wrote, On 4/18/2008 4:40 PM PT:
>
> +1
> >
> > Glauco P. Gomes
> >
> > Blake Sullivan escreveu:
> >
> > > Glauco P. Gomes said the following On 4/18/2008 4:28 PM PT:
> > >
> > > > I think that I'm not expressed correctly, what I wanted to say was
> > > > not sequencial major versions.
> > > > Eg.:
> > > > @agent ie and (version: 6 and 8) {
> > > > /* styles for all 6.*, and 8.* versions of the IE agent versions
> > > > */
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > @agent ie and (version:6), ie and (version:8)
> > >
> > > -- Blake Sullivan
> > >
> > >
> > > > Or this doesn't make sense?
> > > >
> > > > Glauco P. Gomes
> > > >
> > > > Matt Cooper escreveu:
> > > >
> > > > > It does:
> > > > >
> > > > > @agent ie and (min-version:5) and (max-version:7) {
> > > > > /* styles for all 5.*, 6.*, and 7.* versions of the IE agent
> > > > > versions */
> > > > > }
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Matt
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Glauco P. Gomes
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > +1 if this includes multiple major versions (5, 6, 7)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Glauco P. Gomes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Blake Sullivan escreveu:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Glauco P. Gomes said the following On 4/18/2008 3:45 PM PT:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I like this option, but what hapens if the user wants to
> > > > > > > > match the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > version 5? (Only 5, not 5.5)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > @agent ie and (version:5.0)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That will match version 5.0.* but that's probably what he
> > > > > > > wants
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- Blake Sullivan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Glauco P. Gomes
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Blake Sullivan escreveu:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > OK, how about
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > option 5) the version feature is a String that matches
> > > > > > > > > the native
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "major.minor.whatever" format of the browser's engine. If
> > > > > > the browser's
> > > > > > engine uses non "." for separating versions, "." is used
> > > > > > instead.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > For matches, the "*" character is allowed in any version
> > > > > > > > > section.
> > > > > > > > > For comparisons, the "*" is always a valid match
> > > > > > > > > regardless of <, >,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > or = comparison
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > For comparisons where the comparison side contains fewer
> > > > > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > sections than the actual browser version, the comparison
> > > > > > side is padded with
> > > > > > * version sections and the comparison occurs as above.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > For comparisons where the comparison side contains more
> > > > > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > sections than the actual browser version, the browser
> > > > > > version is padded with
> > > > > > 0 version sections and the comparison occurs as above.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > // user wants to match IE 5, actual browser version ie 5.5
> > > > > > > > > @agent ie and (version:5)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > matches because version:5 expands to version 5.* and 5.*
> > > > > > > > > matches 5.5
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > @agent ie and (min-version:5)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > matches because version:5 expands to version 5.* and 5.*
> > > > > > > > > < 5.5 = true
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > @agent ie and (max-version:5)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > matches because version:5 expands to version 5.* and 5.* >
> > > > > > > > > 5.5 = true
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > // actual browser version gecko 1.9
> > > > > > > > > @agent gecko and (min-version:1.9.2)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > does not match because the browser version 1.9 expands to
> > > > > > > > > 1.9.0 and
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1.9.2 is > than 1.9.0
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > // actual browser version gecko 1.9
> > > > > > > > > @agent gecko and (min-version:1.9.*)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > matches because the browser version 1.9 expands to 1.9.0
> > > > > > > > > and 1.9.* ==
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1.9.0
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- Blake Sullivan
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Blake Sullivan said the following On 4/17/2008 12:31 PM
> > > > > > > > > PT:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If we agree that we like the we like the media query
> > > > > > > > > > syntax and that
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the only issue is how to handle less than (as opposed the
> > > > > > <=) for the
> > > > > > max-version, then we can just collect up the proposals and pick
> > > > > > one:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1) The verbose and explicit (max-version-less-than:8).
> > > > > > > > > > 2) Define that for the version feature, max-version
> > > > > > > > > > means < not <=.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Inconsistent with other uses of max (max-version:8)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3) Let the skinning author provide enough precision to avoid
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > need to distinguish between < 8 and <= a number that
> > > > > > apporaches 8
> > > > > > (max-version:7.99)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 4) Add an operator suffix (max-version-lt:8)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1) is gross
> > > > > > > > > > 2) is potentially confusing due to inconsistency
> > > > > > > > > > 3) might not be immediately obvious and could
> > > > > > > > > > theoretically have
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > precision problems
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 4) is not immediately obvious either but incredibly flexible
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I vote for 3) since it gets the job done and doesn't
> > > > > > > > > > preclude doing
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > more later.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- Blake Sullivan
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Andrew Robinson said the following On 4/17/2008 11:53 AM
> > > > > > > > > > PT:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/media.html
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > @import url("loudvoice.css") aural;
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > so here are multiple groups of characters that show
> > > > > > > > > > > that spaces
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > acceptable (import url and aural keywords in one "bunch")
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > url("loudvoice.css")
> > > > > > > > > > > shows that parenthesis with at least one argument is
> > > > > > > > > > > acceptable
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > @media screen, print {
> > > > > > > > > > > Shown that a comma separated list, unlike normal CSS
> > > > > > > > > > > selectors
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > applies
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > to the whole @ (meaning that it wasn't "@meda screen, @media
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > print")
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From css3 (http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-reader/):
> > > > > > > > > > > @import "my-print-style.css" print;
> > > > > > > > > > > here, a quoted string is permissible (goes with the
> > > > > > > > > > > url values in
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > CSS rules)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > <?xml-stylesheet href="style1.css" type="text/css"
> > > > > > > > > > > media="screen and (color) and (max-width: 400px"?>
> > > > > > > > > > > <?xml-stylesheet href="style2.css" type="text/css"
> > > > > > > > > > > media="reader and (max-device-ratio: 1/1)"?>
> > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm.... interesting, but do we want to reuse
> > > > > > > > > > > something that
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > relates
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > to CSS but is not in a CSS file?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > @media reader and (grid: 0)
> > > > > > > > > > > Ah, now we are talking. This looks like what Blake was
> > > > > > > > > > > referring
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From http://www.css3.info/preview/media-queries/:
> > > > > > > > > > > @media all and (min-width: 640px) {
> > > > > > > > > > > Even better, showing an "all" keyword and having
> > > > > > > > > > > "normal CSS
> > > > > > > > > > > properties" in parens.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.css3.info/preview/attribute-selectors/:
> > > > > > > > > > > Do we dare take RegExp like syntax from attr.
> > > > > > > > > > > selectors and apply
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > to @agent rules?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So I can see Blake's suggestion being backed by these,
> > > > > > > > > > > but IMO
> > > > > > > > > > > "max-version-less-than:8" is too long to remember.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps just:
> > > > > > > > > > > IE 5.5 or greater:
> > > > > > > > > > > @agent ie and (min-version: 5.5)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > IE 5.0 or greater:
> > > > > > > > > > > @agent ie and (min-version: 5)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > IE >= 5.0 and < 6.0:
> > > > > > > > > > > @agent ie and (version: 5)
> > > > > > > > > > > or (I like this one less):
> > > > > > > > > > > @agent ie and (major-version: 5)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > IE <= 6.0:
> > > > > > > > > > > @agent ie and (max-version: 6)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > IE < 6:
> > > > > > > > > > > @agent ie and (max-version: 5.9)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > IE >= 6.0 and < 8.0:
> > > > > > > > > > > @agent ie and (min-version: 6) and (max-version: 7.9)
> > > > > > > > > > > same as:
> > > > > > > > > > > @agent ie and (min-version: 6) and (max-version: 7)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > IE >= 6.0 and <= 8.0:
> > > > > > > > > > > @agent ie and (min-version: 6) and (max-version: 8.0)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > IE >= 6.0 and <= 8.x:
> > > > > > > > > > > @agent ie and (min-version: 6) and (max-version: 8)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So x.y (ie 5.5) means precisely that, no vagueness and
> > > > > > > > > > > x (ie 6)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > means
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > major version x regardless of minor version. If it is too hard
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > parse the decimal and remember it,
> > > > > > > > > > > "max-major-version",
> > > > > > > > > > > "min-major-version" and "major-version" could be used
> > > > > > > > > > > for integer
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > comparison with the major version and "max-version",
> > > > > > > > > > > "min-version"
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "version" could be used for full major.minor comparison.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I think using something like 7.9 or 7.99 could
> > > > > > > > > > > theoretically be
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > used
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > for less than but not equal to. I think the fewer number of
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > keywords
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > the clearer it will be to use. Just my opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Just adding some thoughts to chew on since concrete
> > > > > > > > > > > ideas were
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > asked for.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Andrew
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Cristi Toth
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You're right, I should have discussed the format
> > > > > > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > committing it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I started fixing the issue using the format that was specified
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > there...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > (there weren't to many comments on that issue btw...)
> > > > > > > > > > > > During I was fixing it, I noticed that XSS
> > > > > > > > > > > > suppported multiple
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > versions,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > so I adapted what was suggested on the issue to support that
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyway, lets get this subject out in a new thread
> > > > > > > > > > > > and stick here to discussing the format.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, those of you that suggested some general
> > > > > > > > > > > > guidelines, they
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > all sound
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > good,
> > > > > > > > > > > > but please try to think of some concrete format that
> > > > > > > > > > > > comply with
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > guidelines.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If we decide a final format and implement it until
> > > > > > > > > > > > its get
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > released, then no
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > big harm done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > So please be constructive ;)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any feedback!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > cheers,
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