Re: JSF2.0 implementation

Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:21:19 -0700 

good point leo.
When needed we can create it, k?

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Am 29.08.2008 um 02:11 schrieb "Leonardo Uribe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Hazem Saleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Thank you Simon
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:53 AM, Simon Lessard <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
Ok,
The branch is now compiling and TODOs of the following format were placed in the newly created methods : // TODO: JSF 2.0 #xx
We also created a JIRA ticket of every of those TODOs, so if you feel like trying one, you can add a comment in JIRA saying that you're taking the ticker. Before taking a ticket, make sure that no one else is currently working on it to prevent clashes.
The next step on my side is to add more TODOs for the updated methods and create a JIRA ticket for them, then I'll get to coding myself. 


Thanks,

~ Simon
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Simon Lessard <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Thank :) Although give me 10 minutes or so to fix something stupid I did before doing a checkout. 


Regards,

~ Simon
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Hazem Saleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Thank you Simon. I will join this soon.
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Simon Lessard <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
Hi Bruno,

So far my planing was:

sequential
1. Create all new API classes: done
2. Add all new methods to the API, with empty TODO: JSF 2.0 comment in their body when they aren't abstract: in progress and I already found some strange stuff that I might raise on the EG group discussions as for why Application.getResourceHandler isn't abstract while all other get handler methods are: in progress 

*** At that point, IMPL will no longer compile ***
3. Add the missing signature in IMPL with empty TODO: JSF 2.0 comment in their body 

*** Everything should compile but don't work at all ***

parallel
4. Modify the build plugin to include jsf 2.0 changes
5. Implement the API changes
6. Implement the IMPL changes
7. Implement the JS library
I would really like to use Facelets code when required, but we'll have to make sure it's alright with legal discuss first I think, I'm not well versed enough in this kind of very specific issues.
It's a very high level roadmap, We should probably use much finer granularity for point 5 to 7, but I'm not there yet. 


Regards,

~ Simon
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Bruno Aranda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am willing (as always) to contribute as much as my time permits to the JSF 2.0 implementation. I tried to find in the list what is going to be the big picture, the roadmap to have a JSF 2.0 implementation. Do we have something like that? How are we going to integrate Facelets, for instance? (good that is now under ASL!). What part are you developing at the moment? 

Thanks!

Bruno

2008/8/28 Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Simon Lessard
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Simon Lessard
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Hi Simon,
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:56 AM, Simon Kitching <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I see from the commit list that a new JSF2.0 branch has been created. 
>> >>
>> >> I don't remember seeing *any* kind of discussion or even announcement >> >> about this. While I am happy to see JSF2.0 work going on, this kind of >> >> approach does not seem to be at all in the "community" spirit. IMO, 
>> >> major
>> >> events like this should be discussed beforehand.
>> >
>> > As mentioned by other people, there was a vote about this a while back . 
>> > Why
>> > did I create it just now? Simply because my company agreed to provide 
>> > some
>> > resource to help with the implementation and we were ready to get
>> > started.
>>
>> One might ask here for a CCLA ;-)
>> We did that for Oracle way back, and update once in a while all the
>> contributors,
>> that have signed the iCLA.
>
> Yeah, but Fujistu signed a CCLA already when I became commiter, so that's a 
> non issue as well.

good.

>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> One issue, for example, is that the core-1.2 stuff is currently
>> >> half-way-converted from the trinidad plugins to the
>> >> myfaces-builder-plugin.
>> >> So now it is branched, any changes need to be applied in two places. 
>> >
>> > To be honest, I find this irrelevant, it's a branch, not a trunk and 
>> > I'll
>> > most likely do some branch merging when core 1.2.x get release and the 
>> > plugin might have to change a little to support jsfVersion 2.0.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> In addition, a large amount of code has just been committed by someone >> >> (slessard) who is not a particularly regular contributor to myfaces. 
>> >
>> > I see even less relevance in that statement.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Where did this code come from? Do we need a code grant for it? Note 
>> >> that
>> >> when code is developed iteratively on the dev list then there is no 
>> >> need for
>> >> a grant. But a sudden code dump is different, even when contributed by 
>> >> someone who has signed a CLA.
>> >
>> > The code was coded just yesterday by me and is not much at all, creating >> > missing classes for the JavaDoc change log is in no matter a large 
>> > amount in
>> > term of complexity. Also since I was the only author of it (my teammates >> > will wait until I have added the signatures). There's absolutely no need 
>> > of
>> > code grant either.
>>
>> I agree on the code grant, b/c of it is really pretty trivial to
>> create those API classes/interfaces
>> (based on the javadoc log, as I said before).
>> @signatures: you mean the iCLA / CCLA, aren't you ?
>
> nah, I meant method signatures, it will be easier for my teammates to know > what they have to do once there's a nice // TODO: Convert to JSF 2.0 added 
> in every new method's body.
>
> As far as I understand the legal issues (might have to fallback to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] though), they won't need a CLA until they become commiters. > I don't know if I should have the company add their names to the CCLA 

no. wrong
cla == contributor license agreement.
I usually ask for that after one or two patches. Never been an issue at all. We (from ORA) add those contributors to our CCLA, and fax the update to 
Sam Ruby (our ASF secretary).
> however. Technically, we aren't bound contractualy by any intellectual > property transfer with my employer and we're developping outside normal > business hours so we aren't directly paid either for it so I don't know if 
> adding their name to the CCLA is even needed or not.
that means, what you develop on your sparetime is yours... NO CCLA update 
required. Cool

-Matthias

>
>
> ~ Simon
>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> And with 3 branches to now maintain, we need to discuss whether and 
>> >> when
>> >> we phase out maintenance of the jsf-1.1 branch. Currently when users 
>> >> provide
>> >> patches in jira, they almost always provide a patch against only one 
>> >> version
>> >> and the committer ports it, which does increase the load on existing >> >> committers. When do we stop asking committers to do this when patching 
>> >> bugs?
>> >
>> > I can take care of the branch merging, this is how we handled the
>> > trinidad
>> > 1.2 branch at first, Adam would do the merging every now and then, so 
>> > I'm
>> > not asking the committers to do some extra work.
>>
>> yup. not a big deal. Also I doubt that that many folks will work
>> there, on the branch.
>> If the branch needs some merging... fine as well, IMO.
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> To repeat, I'm *happy* that jsf2.0 implementation is in progress, and 
>> >> appreciate people contributing time to write an ASF-2.0-licensed
>> >> implementation. But it is a standard saying at Apache that "community 
>> >> is
>> >> more important than code", and the "community" aspect here seems to 
>> >> have
>> >> been rather neglected...
>> >
>> > I don't agree at all here. Although it wasn't announced on the dev list, 
>> > the
>> > JIRA ticket created to attach patches was speciafically for the
>> > community.
>>
>> and the branch creation was also discussed.
>>
>> > Code provided by Fujitsu employees will never go through me with direct 
>> > commit, it will all be added as patches, even extra tests and
>> > documentation
>> > as we want them and everyone else willing to help get the credit for it. 
>>
>> we do the same. Folks provide patches and jira tickets to describe the 
>> problem.
>>
>> > Furthermore, I personally didn't announce it because the branch will be 
>> > very
>> > instable for a week or two until we finish adding the missing signatures 
>> > (impl might not even always compile).
>>
>> dev@ is a developers community; so that would be fine :-)
>>
>> -Matthias
>>
>> > If community wasn't important in the process we would just have used a >> > private repository at Fujitsu, worked on it for some time with my team, 
>> > then
>> > commit some very large amount of code (real large) that would have 
>> > needed a
>> > code grant, prevented the people to see at what rythm things were
>> > progressing and contributing. The only point I *could* give you here is 
>> > that
>> > maybe I should have annouced the creation directly on the dev list and 
>> > point
>> > on the JIRA ticket and SVN url rather than relying only on JIRA ticket 
>> > report that get forwarded on the dev list.
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > ~ Simon
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Simon
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>
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>>
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>
>



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Hi
Just one question: as long as exists a 2.0.x branch of myfaces core, should exists a branch for shared (4.0.x)? Changes on myfaces impl could require changes on shared. 

regards

Leonardo Uribe



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Hi
Just one question: as long as exists a 2.0.x branch of myfaces core, should exists a branch for shared (4.0.x)? Changes on myfaces impl could require changes on shared. 

regards

Leonardo Uribe



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