Hmmm taking the JavaDoc's markup directly from Mojarra is wrong, but
recreating it with the same result is permitted right?

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Gerhard:
> >
> > I used the JavaDocs that come with the spec (downloaded it from the
> > JCP site). Since everyone uses the same spec, I thought using the
> > official JavaDocs would be the correct way to do things. I haven't
> > looked at Mojarra when coding the JavaDocs, but my guess is that the
> > JavaDocs that come with the spec have been generated from Mojarra
> > sources, making them... equal... :)
>
> I haven't looked at a patch yes, but even taking "only" the javadoc is
> not correct.
> The javadoc comments is part of their code and licensed under the wrong
> license.
>
> Or were you just using the "order" of the methods ?
>
> -M
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jan-Kees
> >
> >
> > 2008/12/2 Leonardo Uribe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Just one minor comment (I didn't now it): public review for jsf 2.0 is
> now
> >> available at:
> >>
> >> http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=314
> >>
> >> regards
> >>
> >> Leonardo Uribe
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> hello jan-kees,
> >>>
> >>> first of all: thank you for your contributions!
> >>>
> >>> i had a quick look at some of your patches.
> >>> and i compared them with the snapshot version of mojarra + the javadoc
> [1]
> >>>
> >>> the patches i compared look similar to the current source code of the
> >>> snapshot (method order, var names,...) and also some javadoc comments
> are
> >>> the same (example for the javadoc: [2] and [3]).
> >>> there are also classes with slight variations.
> >>>
> >>> anyway, we have to take care that we don't violate the licenses used by
> >>> mojarra (cddl and gpl).
> >>>
> >>> regards,
> >>> gerhard
> >>>
> >>> [1]
> >>>
> https://javaserverfaces-spec-public.dev.java.net/nonav/snapshots/pr1/javadocs/index.html
> >>> [2]
> >>>
> https://javaserverfaces-spec-public.dev.java.net/nonav/snapshots/pr1/javadocs/javax/faces/render/RenderKitWrapper.html
> >>> [3]
> >>>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12394962/RenderKitWrapper.patch
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2008/12/2 Werner Punz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello same here I wanted to check in the patches on Wednesday which
> >>>> currently is my JSF 2.0 day as well...
> >>>> So we might be able to share the work.
> >>>> Btw. Jan have you signed the CLI or CLA already?
> >>>> Unfortunately we have to be a little bit nitpicky about having this
> >>>> signed not to get into legal trouble ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Werner
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Simon Lessard schrieb:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Jan-Kees,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yeah I saw the patches, thanks for that. I'll check them in/comment
> them
> >>>>> on Wednesday evening which is my JSF 2.0 day.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ~ Simon
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     From my point of view, it's nice to do something back to the
> >>>>>    community, instead of only using MyFaces...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    I've been implementing some classes yesterday. Created a Jira
> ticket
> >>>>>    for all of them (sometimes grouped similar classes together).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    Please look at it and tell me if this is the right way to do
> things.
> >>>>>    I'm sure there are things to improve.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    Jan-Kees
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    @Matthias: Good to hear my help is appreciated.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    2008/12/1 Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>    <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>:
> >>>>>     > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Simon Lessard
> >>>>>     > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>     >> Hi,
> >>>>>     >>
> >>>>>     >> Yes you can, but make sure to create a JIRA ticket for every
> >>>>>    change. You'll
> >>>>>     >> find that most new classes and methods are already there
> though,
> >>>>>    but some
> >>>>>     >> new ones just popped with the public review version.
> >>>>>     >
> >>>>>     > it is great to see more and more active folks here!
> >>>>>     >
> >>>>>     > -Matthias
> >>>>>     >
> >>>>>     >>
> >>>>>     >>
> >>>>>     >> Regards,
> >>>>>     >>
> >>>>>     >> ~ Simon
> >>>>>     >>
> >>>>>     >> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> >>>>>     >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >>>>>    wrote:
> >>>>>     >>>
> >>>>>     >>> All right, in that case, shall I start implementing those new
> >>>>>    API classes?
> >>>>>     >>>
> >>>>>     >>> I'm sure there's little fun for you guys in implementing all
> >>>>> those
> >>>>>     >>> interfaces/etc. ;-)
> >>>>>     >>>
> >>>>>     >>> /Jan-Kees
> >>>>>     >>>
> >>>>>     >>>
> >>>>>     >>> 2008/11/29 Simon Lessard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>    <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>:
> >>>>>     >>> > Hi Jan-Kees,
> >>>>>     >>> >
> >>>>>     >>> > MyFaces has its own version of the javax.faces.8 within
> >>>>>    myfaces-api.jar
> >>>>>     >>> > file. That file obviously has the same content as
> Mojarra's,
> >>>>>    but with
> >>>>>     >>> > different code and thus a different bug/peformance base.
> >>>>>    However I must
> >>>>>     >>> > admit that most difference reside within the -impl
> >>>>>     >>> >
> >>>>>     >>> >
> >>>>>     >>> > Regards,
> >>>>>     >>> >
> >>>>>     >>> > ~ Simon
> >>>>>     >>> >
> >>>>>     >>> > On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> >>>>>     >>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>    <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> >>>>>     >>> >>
> >>>>>     >>> >> Hi all,
> >>>>>     >>> >>
> >>>>>     >>> >> It might be a stupid question, but where does the MyFaces
> >>>>>    javax.faces
> >>>>>     >>> >> codebase come from? Is it copied straight from Mojarra? Or
> >>>>>    does this
> >>>>>     >>> >> cause
> >>>>>     >>> >> licensing issues and must all files be created by hand,
> >>>>>    based on the
> >>>>>     >>> >> spec?
> >>>>>     >>> >>
> >>>>>     >>> >> A.t.m., many of the new classes, like the pdl.facelets
> >>>>>    package are
> >>>>>     >>> >> missing.
> >>>>>     >>> >>
> >>>>>     >>> >> If you guys want, I can start adding them to myfaces2 if
> it
> >>>>>    needs to be
> >>>>>     >>> >> done by hand.
> >>>>>     >>> >>
> >>>>>     >>> >> Regards,
> >>>>>     >>> >> Jan-Kees
> >>>>>     >>> >>
> >>>>>     >>> >>
> >>>>>     >>> >>
> >>>>>     >>> >> 2008/11/27 Simon Lessard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>    <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> >>>>>     >>> >>>
> >>>>>     >>> >>> I don't think just dropping the code will be enough.
> There
> >>>>>    are some
> >>>>>     >>> >>> contract difference between Facelets and Facelets in JSF
> >>>>>    2.0. Although
> >>>>>     >>> >>> they're mostly compatible, some interfaces were added
> (see
> >>>>>    pdl) and
> >>>>>     >>> >>> the
> >>>>>     >>> >>> createView contract was changed as well (forcing full
> tree
> >>>>>    population
> >>>>>     >>> >>> that
> >>>>>     >>> >>> doesn't seem to be the case in Facelets code atm).
> >>>>>     >>> >>>
> >>>>>     >>> >>> Furthermore, imho it's quite healthy to fork the code as
> >>>>>    it's going to
> >>>>>     >>> >>> start an improvement "competition" between Mojarra's
> >>>>>    Facelets and our
> >>>>>     >>> >>> Facelets, much like what happened when MyFaces was first
> >>>>>    implemented,
> >>>>>     >>> >>> much
> >>>>>     >>> >>> faster than RI at the time, forcing the latter to improve
> >>>>>    their own
> >>>>>     >>> >>> code and
> >>>>>     >>> >>> so on.
> >>>>>     >>> >>>
> >>>>>     >>> >>> That being said, if the community feels like we should
> >>>>>    limit the
> >>>>>     >>> >>> amount
> >>>>>     >>> >>> of changes as much as possible (to include Facelets
> updates
> >>>>>    and bug
> >>>>>     >>> >>> fixes
> >>>>>     >>> >>> every now and then for example), I could also abide to
> that.
> >>>>>     >>> >>>
> >>>>>     >>> >>>
> >>>>>     >>> >>> Regards,
> >>>>>     >>> >>>
> >>>>>     >>> >>> ~ Simon
> >>>>>     >>> >>>
> >>>>>     >>> >>>
> >>>>>     >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 3:26 AM, Werner Punz
> >>>>>    <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> >>>>>     >>> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>     >>> >>>>
> >>>>>     >>> >>>> Kito Mann schrieb:
> >>>>>     >>> >>>>>
> >>>>>     >>> >>>>> Hey Simon,
> >>>>>     >>> >>>>>
> >>>>>     >>> >>>>> Just curious: are you guys implementing Facelets from
> >>>>>    scratch?
> >>>>>     >>> >>>>>
> >>>>>     >>> >>>> I have not had a look yet at the current codebase, but
> to
> >>>>> my
> >>>>>     >>> >>>> knowledge
> >>>>>     >>> >>>> facelets itself has been relizenced under ASF2
> >>>>>     >>> >>>> I would suggest just for the sake of keeping the
> >>>>>    compatibility close
> >>>>>     >>> >>>> no reimplementation just drag the code over, dont change
> >>>>>    the packages
> >>>>>     >>> >>>> if possible so that we at least there have a shared
> >>>>> codebase.
> >>>>>     >>> >>>> It just does not make sense to do a full
> reimplementation
> >>>>> or
> >>>>>     >>> >>>> to fork the code, since there are no political issues
> >>>>>    between the RI
> >>>>>     >>> >>>> and
> >>>>>     >>> >>>> MyFaces, on the contrary we have an excellent
> relationship!
> >>>>>     >>> >>>>
> >>>>>     >>> >>>>
> >>>>>     >>> >>>> Werner
> >>>>>     >>> >>>>
> >>>>>     >>> >>>
> >>>>>     >>> >>
> >>>>>     >>> >
> >>>>>     >>> >
> >>>>>     >>
> >>>>>     >>
> >>>>>     >
> >>>>>     >
> >>>>>     >
> >>>>>     > --
> >>>>>     > Matthias Wessendorf
> >>>>>     >
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> >>>>>     >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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