Hi Martin, Thanks for your feedback. About this issue, let's talk on some new HTML5 element attributes with two different JSF-side cases:
- "placeholder<http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/common-input-element-attributes.html#attr-input-placeholder>" attribute of "input<http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-input-element.html#the-input-element>" element: With this attribute, we can set a placeholder text that is shown if there is nothing typed into input. - New "required<http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/common-input-element-attributes.html#attr-input-required>" attribute of "input<http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-input-element.html#the-input-element>" element : If this is set, input is validated against emptyness before the form is submitted. Placeholder: We cannot add a placeholder attribute on <h:inputText> since it is not defined on spec, and no current component attribute can be used for this. Required: We can totally render HTML5 "required" attribute if <h:inputText required="true">. IMHO, we can do this by - Writing a new renderer for <h:inputText> that extends current one with rendering "required" element attribute if set; - And telling users to register this new renderer if they want to use optional HTML5. Is this possible? Or, we can do this by using an optional HTML5 context parameter, as Jakob said. Another thing: there are very few new features that can be applied to current components without breaking the spec. May be the only one which fits in the discussed case is "required". IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. > Yeah, I think so. Thanks, On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jakob Korherr <[email protected]>wrote: > I like Martin's idea. > > If it would make some parts of the TCK fail, we could introduce a HTML5 > config parameter to make the HTML5 features work. Of course, this has to be > turned off by default in order to make the TCK work. > > Regards, > Jakob > > 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <[email protected]> > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Martin Marinschek >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hi Ali, >> > >> > great that you start out with this! >> > >> > I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this support >> > already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required attribute - >> > shouldn't we have our core inputs already render this attribute out, >> > if necessary. >> >> not sure if the TCK does some HTML parsing >> >> > I think this would be nice. Everything which can not be >> > covered by our standard implementations should of course be in a new >> > namespace, as you suggested. >> >> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. or do you think this >> should be directly done on the IMPL, if possible. >> >> > >> > best regards, >> > >> > Martin >> > >> > On 3/22/10, Ali Ok <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I see you you refering to this thread: >> >>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html >> >>> >> >> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some work >> >>> has already been done on that. >> >> >> >> >> >> You're right. >> >> Removed it. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr >> >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi, >> >>> >> >>> This all looks very fine to me - great work :) >> >>> >> >>> About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have a >> parent >> >>> GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and "gsoc" >> >>> labeled) >> >>> sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would create >> all >> >>> the >> >>> things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project issue. So >> we >> >>> would have a hierarchy that looks like this: >> >>> >> >>> GSoC 2010 >> >>> --HTML 5 RenderKit >> >>> ----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit >> >>> ----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit >> >>> ... >> >>> --GSoC project #2 >> >>> ----issue #1 of GSoC project #2 >> >>> ... >> >>> >> >>> What do you think? >> >>> >> >>> Regards, >> >>> Jakob >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <[email protected]> >> >>> >> >>>> One thing, >> >>>> >> >>>> I see you you refering to this thread: >> >>>> >> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html >> >>>> >> >>>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some >> work >> >>>> has already been done on that. >> >>>> >> >>>> -Matthias >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> > Hi, >> >>>> > Thank you all for your reviews. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate >> for >> >>>> >> the >> >>>> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx sounds >> >>>> >> like >> >>>> HTML >> >>>> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Yeah, correct. >> >>>> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a cool >> prefix >> >>>> later >> >>>> > :) >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out): >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617 >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best. >> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)... >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Thanks :) >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Regards, >> >>>> > --Ali >> >>>> > >> >>>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf < >> [email protected] >> >>>> > >> >>>> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> OK, >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out): >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617 >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best. >> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)... >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> -Matthias >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf < >> >>>> [email protected]> >> >>>> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> > Ah, >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > interesting: >> >>>> >> > This is how tomcat does it. >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > They "group" their tickets: >> >>>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010 >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > and point to the JIRA entries. >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA ticket. >> >>>> >> > After >> >>>> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > -Matthias >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel >> >>>> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :) >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> /JK >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <[email protected]> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-) >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will bring >> >>>> >> >>> this >> >>>> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira. >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> -Matthias >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel >> >>>> >> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>> > Looks good. >> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>>> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more >> appropriate >> >>>> for >> >>>> >> >>> > the >> >>>> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. >> >>>> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not really >> an >> >>>> >> >>> > extension. >> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>>> >> >>> > Regards, >> >>>> >> >>> > Jan-Kees >> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>>> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <[email protected]> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali! >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda >> >>>> >> >>> >> <[email protected]> >> >>>> >> >>> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too! >> >>>> >> >>> >>> Bruno >> >>>> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf < >> [email protected] >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali, >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me. >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ? >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok < >> [email protected]> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi, >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here : >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5 >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback? >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki. >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards, >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Ali >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > -- >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -- >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> >>>> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> >> -- >> >>>> >> >>> >> Cagatay Civici >> >>>> >> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC >> >>>> >> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org >> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> -- >> >>>> >> >>> Matthias Wessendorf >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> >>>> >> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> >>>> >> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > -- >> >>>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> >>>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> >>>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> -- >> >>>> >> Matthias Wessendorf >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> >>>> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> >>>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > -- >> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr >> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf >> >>>> >> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > http://www.irian.at >> > >> > Your JSF powerhouse - >> > JSF Consulting, Development and >> > Courses in English and German >> > >> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Matthias Wessendorf >> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> > > -- My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
