Hallo André,
I am a silent member of the list and have been using OO for sometime
now.
My response is to your two questions:
- what's going on on the english user lists?
- what is the native lang community thinking?
I will answer the second question first: my native language is Igbo
(spoken in south eastern Nigeria). I use various Unicode based fonts
like Doulos, Gentium, CODE2000. Although I have decided on Localization
of OO, I shall focus more on it as from next year.
Now the first question: I am not a computer expert, just a user. But I
sometimes wonder whether OO was reacting to my fonts or there was a bug
in the program. SOme of the problems I encounter include automatic
shift of images/pictures in a text document written with OO. The
pictures are from the OO gallery and include such forms as CIRCLE, BOX
WITH TEXT, CALL OUT etc.
I hope this contribution is of some relevance.
Best regards,
Chinedu Uchechukwu
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From: Andre Schnabel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]; OOo dev.qa <[email protected]>; OOo
dev.nl <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:31:53 +0100
Subject: [native-lang] OOo 2.0.1 RC and software quality
Hi all,
I'm writing this, as I'm really worried about the quality of our
current (or upcoming) versions.
Shure, we have no (or close to none) reported stopper for the RC, but
is this enough to say "we have build, that is good for releasing to the
enduser"? Honestly speaking .. not to me.
I cannot tell about the english (or better said non-german) users. But
reading the german user lists, beiing at local events and speaking with
users, they have often troubles with funktionality, that works not as
expected. They cannot tell, if they are doing something wrong, or if
OOo is broken.
The first time, they find such a problem, this meight be their own
fault. The second time .. ok, may happen. But the thirt fourth and fith
time they start to ask, if the software is ready to use.
So, no matter, if we have stoppers or not, the user "feels" that the
software has bugs and in saome cases, users are hurt by those bugs and
will move away. More worse .. they are beginning to spread the word.
Ok, that's all about feelings, but there are also facts. We have a lot
of bugs in our current and upcoming release. We always had, but let's
look at some numbers.
In OOo 1.0.1, 464 bugs have been fixed in OOo 1.0.2 - 165, OOo 1.1.3 -
63
At the moment we have 1714(!) bugs with target 2.0.1 plus 619 with
target 2.0.2.
That means, if we do release as planned, we will *know* that we have
quite the same amount of bugs, as we fixed in 1.1. codeline.
And this would not be in a .0 release, but in .1.
Btw.: 72 Issues are of Prio 2, what means, they occure in main
functionality, cause crashes and/or data loss.
In addition to that, we have close to 1000 unconfirmed issues. Another
potential risk.
So .. if you ask, if we have stoppers: no, we don't have
If you ask (as a user) if I would advice to use OOo 2 in production
use, I'd rather say nothing, as I cannot tell if you were hit by one of
the many bugs.
Ok, this all said, should provide some of the reasons, why I think, we
should delay OOo 2.0.1 (or even "virtually skip it"). Of course, what
is currently planned for 2.0.1 is better than what we have with 2.0.0.
But I still think, it is not enough to keep the image of a software,
that's quality is good enough for production use.
I'm fully aware, that such a decision would have impact on several
groups inside and outside the project. So I'd like to have input:
- what's going on on the english user lists?
- what is the native lang community thinking?
- has marketing some ideas?
- comments from developers?
In Koper, the council discussed the revival of the release committe
and put some names on it. I'd ask all who have been named there to give
comments. Unfortunately, there have not been much responses to my
recent mails.
(All others are welcome to answer as well).
André
PS.: all that said, I still think, that developers and all the other
community members do a great job and that we are able to deliver a
great software.
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