Hi, We upgraded our application to NB11 and I’m also interested by the I10N bundles… I haven’t found them on released artefacts so I guess they have not yet been donated. Am I right ? I guess we can safely reuse the ones from NB8.2. Do you see an issue relying on them waiting more recent ones ? (the only issue I had in mind could be to have missing keys if code has changed).
Thanks, Yann On 2019/03/26 16:08:54, Boris Heithecker <b...@googlemail.com.INVALID<mailto:b...@googlemail.com.INVALID>> wrote: > Sure, the question should be "Are you interested in translations AND ready> > to contribute?" (and pay more to get more chocolate...)> > Boris> > > Geertjan Wielenga > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid<mailto:ge...@googlemail.com.invalid>> schrieb > am> > Di., 26. März 2019, 12:43:> > > > Well, if you put out a poll with a question like "do you want lots of> > > chocolate", "or only a little bit of chocolate", "or no chocolate at all",> > > you're most likely to get most respondents saying "yes, I want lots of> > > chocolate", even though they may actually need only a little bit and never> > > end up having more than a little bit.> > >> > > So, yes, I hate polls. :-) But it's great to have done this research> > > regardless and it says something, though it's never clear what exactly.> > >> > > Gj> > >> > >> > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 12:40 PM Boris Heithecker> > > <bo...@googlemail.com.invalid<mailto:bo...@googlemail.com.invalid>> wrote:> > >> > > > That's interesting. So there is a need for a multilingual IDE. I didn't> > > > expect it, but it shows the direction where we could move once the> > > donated> > > > files are integrated.> > > > Completing and maintaining localisation support for the whole IDE means> > > > more work for the entire community.> > > > Would be interesting to know which languages are particularly desired.> > > > Regards,> > > > Boris> > > >> > > >> > > > Junichi Yamamoto <ju...@gmail.com<mailto:ju...@gmail.com>> schrieb am > > > Di., 26. März 2019,> > > > 01:46:> > > >> > > > > Hi,> > > > >> > > > > FYI:> > > > > I asked the community whether translations are needed on twitter. The> > > > > results(90 votes) are the following:> > > > > Q. Do you need translations?> > > > > A1. Yes (Whole IDE) 41%> > > > > A2. Yes (Only platform) 10%> > > > > A3. No 49%> > > > > https://twitter.com/junichi_11/status/1109250341634084864> > > > >> > > > > So it seems that the community prefers translations for the whole IDE.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > > Junichi> > > > >> > > > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:59 PM Boris Heithecker> > > > > <bo...@gmx.net<mailto:bo...@gmx.net>> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > I'd like to see the l10n files from the donation in the new repo for> > > a> > > > > > first thing to be done. Next thing could be rewriting the scripts,> > > but> > > > it> > > > > > depends on how the the bundles are going to be used.> > > > > > I need them for a platform application which now still runs on 8.2> > > but> > > > > > should be ported to 10 or 11 in the near future. So I'd like to> > > either> > > > > have> > > > > > a script to integrate a specific locale into an existing target> > > > platform,> > > > > > or have the specific binaries ready for use.> > > > > > But that's for a platform application, which uses only a small part> > > for> > > > > the> > > > > > whole IDE.> > > > > > I don't know if anybody wants, or needs, multilingual IDE. That would> > > > be> > > > > > one question to discuss. The point ise not only how to distribute.> > > > > Another> > > > > > point is the completeness of the bundles. As far as I know, in the> > > > early> > > > > > days there were 3 officially supported languages (Brazilian> > > Portuguese,> > > > > > Japanese, Russian, and Simplified Chinese) and more community> > > > contributed> > > > > > bundles. The latter are less complete, but I'm not sure. Distributing> > > > > > multilingual binaries of the IDE means keeping the translations up to> > > > > date> > > > > > and that's a lot of never ending work for lots of native speakers.> > > > > > Boris> > > > > >> > > > > > Am Mo., 18. März 2019 um 05:43 Uhr schrieb Jaroslav Tulach <> > > > > > jaroslav.tul...@gmail.com<mailto:jaroslav.tul...@gmail.com>>:> > > > > >> > > > > > > Hello Boris,> > > > > > > thanks for tackling this issue.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dne sobota 16. března 2019 15:18:20 CET, Boris Heithecker> > > napsal(a):> > > > > > > > Hi all,> > > > > > > > I'm preparing a pull request now for the localisation bundles> > > from> > > > > the> > > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > > donation. I've made only slight changes to build.xml found in the> > > > > folder.> > > > > > > > A once-existing build target for the multilingual edition has> > > > > obviously> > > > > > > > been discarded as long ago as in NetBeans 7.2,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The L10N stuff would certainly need more love. It was an> > > > afterthought,> > > > > > > mostly> > > > > > > ignored (not needed) by developers of NetBeans. As such the scripts> > > > > could> > > > > > > get> > > > > > > out of sync. For example the NetBeans 10 restructured its sources> > > to> > > > > per> > > > > > > cluster layout - that may also influence the L10N stuff a lot and> > > > > nobody> > > > > > > (certainly not me) was thinking of the impact on L10N bits.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > but there are work-arounds> > > > > > > > to create a localised IDE, or localise a platform app. It mostly> > > > > > > involves> > > > > > > > manually copying and zipping, so it's simple.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The goal should be to press F11 (type ant build) somewhere and have> > > > the> > > > > > > changed JAR copied to the appropriate place. So, subsequent "ant> > > > tryme"> > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > the changes.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Everything else is critical> > > > > > > > because it means interfering with the existing build tasks of the> > > > > whole> > > > > > > > platform.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If desired, I'm ready write a short instruction on how the> > > > > localisation> > > > > > > > bundles can be used with the current sources.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > PR is #1 thing. Instructions #2. Then the discussion can start.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > From what I hear it seems we want to merge the L10N files into the> > > > main> > > > > > > repository. Where? l10n subfolder?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > How do we want to build the localized bits? How do we want to> > > > > distribute> > > > > > > them?> > > > > > > All the translations will be included in the source release. Should> > > > > they> > > > > > > all> > > > > > > be included in the binary release? Should they be only available as> > > > > NBMs,> > > > > > > so> > > > > > > users can download just L10N for their locale?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Good luck getting Apache NetBeans L10Ned!> > > > > > > -jt> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Boris> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Am Fr., 15. März 2019 um 11:59 Uhr schrieb Joerg Michelberger <> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > j.michelber...@gmail.com<mailto:j.michelber...@gmail.com>>:> > > > > > > > > Hi Boris,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > great to hear something about the localization stuff.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > For license changes there is a NB plugin> > > > > > > > > http://plugins.netbeans.org/plugin/17960/license-changer> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I also have the need for at least german localization for my NB> > > > app> > > > > > > and i> > > > > > > > > can also test the bundles.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Cheers> > > > > > > > > Joerg> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Am Fr., 15. März 2019 um 11:37 Uhr schrieb Geertjan Wielenga> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid<mailto:ge...@googlemail.com.invalid>>:> > > > > > > > > > Excellent work. Best is to fork this and provide a PR with> > > the> > > > > > > bundles> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > other changes:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > License header changes could be done after that (or before,> > > > your> > > > > > > call)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > this:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-tools/tree/master/convert> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Gj> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 11:15 AM Boris Heithecker <> > > > > > > > > > boris.heithec...@gmx.net<mailto:boris.heithec...@gmx.net>>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > I was able to start a localized (german) version of> > > NetBeans> > > > 10> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > current binaries available at netbeans.apache.org and the> > > > > > > localisation> > > > > > > > > > > extension build from the (slightly adapted) 3rd donation> > > > files> > > > > and> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > current clone from the GitHub repo. It works.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me, or give me a link on how to proceed further> > > > to> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > integrate> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > the bundles into the repo.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The license headers of some 120000 files need to be> > > > replaced. I> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > remember> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > hearing about an automatation mechanism to do that. Is> > > there> > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > documentation available?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Boris> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Am Do., 14. 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