On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 19:41, Laszlo Kishalmi <laszlo.kisha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do not think that after this discussion we would get the exception
> from the board Geertjan might try to bring it up there as well.

Well, we'll see.  I personally have serious misgivings about ASF's
current position on "platform" dependencies when the world is changing
and moving to bundling that platform.  And on the issue of binary
releases not being "official" - I've just signed 5 NBMs with an ASF
code certificate!  I think the current position on either of these
things brings the sustainability of Java projects at ASF into
question, and particularly our long-term viability.

I would really like a more forward thinking approach closer to
https://www.eclipse.org/org/documents/GPL_CE_Policy.php !

> As of me option 2 is questionable.

Maybe!  It's doable.  I did start looking at doing this in an
InnoSetup based installer recently.

> Option 3. is a bit hard to say, but if we can't produce proper
> installation packages, it would probably better to not create those
> packages at all, leave that for others.
...
>  1.  From 11.3 we remove the convenience binaries and installers from
>     our download page

If we go down that route, I don't think we should remove the binary
zip.  In fact, that could be used as the basis for other people's
installers.  eg. an AppImage build script could directly download and
embed that.

There was some conversation a while back about AdoptOpenJDK making
bundled installers from our sources.  That might be a good option to
follow up on again if we go down this route.  I'd prefer fostering a
good relationship with a community focused distributor.

Best wishes,

Neil

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