> They want the latest and great release that "works", and don't care about a > once a year LTS release no matter how stable it is.
I agree with this angle. I don't actually remember / know why an LTS was picked... but the NetCAT angle seems practical in a way. If users want to be on the bleeding edge they can always pick another 'release channel' and NetBeans could push beta/dev/canary updates there. Users stick on a fixed version for various reasons, not only because they need LTS assurances. As soon as something breaks or needs too much work for a new release some users will just stick with the last known version where their project worked. What would help is NetBeans being a rolling release. Upgrading from one release to another should be easier. --emi On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 6:54 PM Qingtian Wang <qingt...@evergreenelite.com> wrote: > > Thanks Neil. I think the numbered list you give here sums up the opposing > forces for the release plan rather well. > > And yes, my comments are for me only; however, I know for a fact my > observation on LTS is not only for me - it's out of tens of > clients/corporations where people (myself included) are more interested in > using IDEs professionally (read make a living/money). They want the latest > and great release that "works", and don't care about a once a year LTS > release no matter how stable it is. To be honest, those users are in a sense > selfish and contribute back rarely (myself included); but I am afraid they > are the silent majority: You see the "significant number of people" that > complains on needing frequent updates because they are actually "better > citizens" of the community that take the time to voice their opinions - most > other people wouldn't even bother. > > BTW, I see this release schedule on the web page: > > February 15th - 30th NB <version>.3 released. > > So it looks like 11.3 release is imminent, so congrats and many thanks! But I > won't be holding my breath on a Feb 30 release even this is a leap year. > > Cheers! > > > > On 2020/02/27 19:18:09, Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org> wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 18:33, Qingtian Wang <qingt...@evergreenelite.com> > > wrote: > > > LTS releases have little meaning (again for me) > > > > With big emphasis on "again for you"! ;-) > > > > Laszlo hit the nail on the head with the comment about LTS and NetCAT > > going hand in hand. For perspective, I wrote the initial draft > > release schedule (which has changed a bit since) to meet a few > > requirements that were coming out from discussions among the community > > here - > > > > 1. A general consensus that we wanted a faster release schedule - > > probably quarterly - certainly quicker than that might be more > > difficult for users and release managers! > > 2. A significant number of people (eg. corporate / education) who > > voiced concerns on needing to update too often. > > 3. A general consensus that NetCAT was an incredibly valuable part of > > NetBeans that we wanted to keep going at Apache. > > 4. A recognition that running NetCAT for every quarterly release is > > impractical and will lead to volunteer burnout. > > > > The release schedule was written to try and meet all those concerns - > > I didn't make much up, I just picked the various things people had > > said and tried to combine as much as possible into something coherent. > > If we can only do NetCAT once a year, then an LTS makes some sense too > > as a reason, and addresses #2. And having 9 months of the year focused > > on new features and 3 months on ensuring they're perfect seems a good > > balance to me personally. > > > > The release schedule is not set in stone. It's already been tweaked > > in various ways. And it can and should adapt again. It's all a big, > > ever changing balancing act! :-) > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Neil > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
