Hi,

Unless there are any objections, I will take over from Geertjan as the point 
person for the OpenJDK Quality Outreach. I will get more details from Rory to 
better understand what Outreach expects. I will then reach out to Jaroslav or 
whomever might be more appropriate to learn how to collect the data required.

Jaroslav, you are right, it is more effective to not just report a bug in a 
component of the JDK but to also propose the fix as you did in your issue. You 
are reminding me to update the wiki. I assume that you are referring to the 
OpenJDK Wiki or is there a NetBeans Wiki that I have not been able to find.

Ken




-----Original Message-----
From: Jaroslav Tulach <[email protected]> 
Sent: June 9, 2021 3:53 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: OpenJDK Quality Outreach

> Yes, we should, how?

I'd like to point out that Geertjan is listed on the wiki page https:// 
wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/quality/Quality+Outreach

> Apache Netbeans       Geertjan Wielenga       
>  Use OpenJDK 12 EA b26 Phase 2 or higher and OpenJDK 11.0.2

as an Apache NetBeans contact providing feedback since JDK11!

Given Geertjan isn't even aware of being part of the OpenJDK Quality Outreach 
program, we can estimate the importance of the program. However having  Ken as 
an official NetBeans representative is certainly better, than not being there 
at all.

Ken:
>  I suspect we might have caught the JEP 411 issue much sooner  if we 
> participated in this.

No we wouldn't caught it sooner. NetBeans blogging and social media campaign 
started the same week as JEP 411 was published. Participation in any public 
forum couldn't speed the reaction up.

Eirik:
> Here are a couple of Windows LAF bugs that could be mentioned as 
> impacting NetBeans (as well as most other Swing applications):
> 
> https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8211715
> https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8241561
> 
> I added workarounds for these ..., but there are still cases where a 
> proper fix at the OpenJDK level would look better.

Well, create a PR for OpenJDK then!

Overall I doubt participation in OpenJDK Quality Outreach forum can 
dramatically improve anything. Direct action is what counts: be it buzz over
JEP-411 or submitting PRs for OpenJDK to make NetBeans work better (like 
https://github.com/openjdk/jdk/pull/3939). Anyway having a channel to talk to 
OpenJDK is better for Apache NetBeans, than not having it.

Good luck, Ken! Don't forget to update the wiki.
-jt




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