“The blame may be on sdkman but, as a user I have not yet suffered because of it, it's only when I try to install Netbeans that I run into an issue.”
So you *have* suffered because of it. 🙄 It makes sense to support JDKs installed with SDKMAN. It should be simple enough. It probably would be mostly shell scripts, I doubt it would need native macOS programming. (Someone correct me if I’m wrong here.) If it was too much effort, I doubt the user base is significant specifically for installing the JDK on macOS. I just don’t recommend SDKMAN for installing JDKs on macOS because of its poor integration. For other SDKs it is probably not as bad. Scott > On Mar 24, 2022, at 2:23 PM, Alex Lewis <alex.lewis...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > Just to offer an opinion of an average netbeans user regarding Netbeans and > sdkman... As of Netbeans 12.1, sdkman is explicitly supported for detecting > available JVMs. In my opinion it is an odd inconsistency for the main > application to support sdkman but not the installer. Besides that and as > far as I know, sdkman is a widely used tool for managing Java versions on > macos, even with its avoidance of java_home. In which case, not supporting > it in the installer impacts some amount of a large user base. By > not supporting sdkman in the installer it means an additional complication > at the very first step in using Netbeans and that to me feels unfortunate. > If sdkman was an esoteric tool used by a small minority then I could > understand any reluctance to put in the effort but, I have the impression > that sdkman's user base would be large enough to warrant the effort. I > obviously can't quantify that and I may be totally wrong about > its popularity, if I am then I apologise. I just think that if it was > important enough to include in the main application, doesn't that make it > important enough to include support in the installer? > > The blame may be on sdkman but, as a user I have not yet suffered because > of it, it's only when I try to install Netbeans that I run into an issue. > If that's true for a significant volume of other users then I suspect > people will believe the blame lies with Netbeans, regardless of what might > be the truth. > > I'm happy to install a java version outside of sdkman in order to install > Netbeans. I can even remove it after Netbeans is installed, which again > points to only the installer needing Java to be in > /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines. For others it might be enough for them > to just give up on Netbeans and not bother, which would be a shame for > Netbeans to lose (potential) users that way. > > I realise the answer may be "We're happy to take your contribution to the > installer to add support for sdkman", and I understand why that is the > case. I will certainly take a look at the installer to see if there's even > a chance I could contribute something even though native macos development > is not my forte but, I hope that sdkman support could be considered outside > of what I may or may not be able to contribute. > > I'm a very happy user of Netbeans and it's clear to see Netbeans get better > each and every version. I'd like to say a huge thank you to the team for > the great work. > > Cheers > > > >> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 at 20:49, Scott Palmer <swpal...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> JDKs installed by SDKMAN don’t work with /usr/libexec/java_home. That’s >> why I believe SDKMAN should not be used for Java on macOS, it doesn’t >> integrate properly. (I brought this up to SDKMAN team and they don’t want >> to write any files outside of their controlled space. I get it, but the >> user suffers as a result.) >> >> You might be able to work around it by sym-linking the SDKMAN installed >> JDK into the correct location at /Libraries/Java/JavaVirtualMachines - but >> if you have to manage it yourself, what is SDKMAN doing for you? >> >> Scott >> >>>> On Mar 22, 2022, at 1:15 PM, John Mc <mcdonnell.j...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> +1 (binding) >>> >>> Vote Closed, I will tally up the votes later and move the artefacts over. >>> >>> @Djamel TORCHE <djamel.tor...@gmail.com> Sorry just seeing this now. >> What >>> output do you get when you run this in your terminal >> "/usr/libexec/java_home" >>> That's how the installer verifies Java exists. >>> >>> Maybe for NB14 I might do an RC for the macOS installer to help verify no >>> late issues in future. >>> >>> John >>> >>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 at 14:12, Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> +1 (binding) >>>> >>>> Checksum and signature checked. >>>> Installed and ran successfully. >>>> Checked module versions match git hash. >>>> >>>> JDK 17 Temurin x86_64 running on M1 macOS 12.2.1 >>>> >>>> Thanks John!!! >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> >>>> Neil >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 at 10:11, John Mc <mcdonnell.j...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This has been a lot longer than I wanted as I got caught up with work, >>>> but >>>>> here is the updated macOS installer for Apache NetBeans 13. >>>>> >>>>> Primary voting artefact : >>>>> >>>> >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-installers/13/Apache-NetBeans-13-bin-macosx.dmg >>>>> >>>>> SHA512 checksum : >>>>> >>>> >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-installers/13/Apache-NetBeans-13-bin-macosx.dmg.sha512 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> 68cd93b697b8fa02013d4ab69f773a93c3c42f92498578470af6d808179d292649b85bdb946a9bc75d9cc94aba3d4c8e0d0a3eb3fee565ab390810ad7b609b49 >>>>> Apache-NetBeans-13-bin-macosx.dmg >>>>> >>>>> KEYS file : >>>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/netbeans/KEYS >>>>> >>>>> PGP signature file : >>>>> >>>> >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-installers/13/Apache-NetBeans-13-bin-macosx.dmg.asc >>>>> >>>>> Built locally using the artefacts found in the Jenkins job: >>>>> >>>> >> https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/Netbeans/job/netbeans-TLP/job/netbeans/job/release130/20/ >>>>> >>>>> NOTE: The distpreparation artefact from this Jenkins job was replaced >>>> with: >>>>> >>>> >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-installers/13/distpreparation.zip >>>>> The changes can be compared against the PR: >>>>> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/3699 >>>>> >>>>> This vote is going to be open at least 72 hours, vote with +1, 0, and >>>>> -1 as usual. Please mark your vote with (binding) if you're an Apache >>>>> NetBeans PMC member. >>>>> >>>>> This vote is dependent on the main Apache NetBeans 13 release vote >>>> passing. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> John >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org >>>> >>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org >> >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >> >> >> >>
