On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 at 18:21, Jaroslav Tulach <jaroslav.tul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Emmanuel wrote:
> > PS I loved the beard, I didn't recognize you at first glance
>
> Laszlo wrote:
> > Thanks for sharing the presentation!, I really enjoyed it. +1 for that
> > mustache!
>
> Thank you guys. This is why I was avoiding barber since the COVID outbreak!

:-) ... or should that be :-})

> I believe that Java ecosystem would be better, if we adopted some of these
> benefits as well.

I enjoyed the presentation, although I also think the Java ecosystem
is better for the current JDK development cycle.  The Java ecosystem
might be better for adopting some of these benefits.  I remain dubious
it's the right thing for this project to be at the vanguard of this
...

> Let's only focus on the first two now. Let's make the compiler part of the
> project build script first ...- all
> comments I've heard so far attack other aspects - nobody criticized including
> a compiler into the build script vision.

Well, there was criticism of using Frgaal *by default* in end-user
build scripts.  I happen to agree a lot with something else you've
said about NetBeans in the past, its benefit of being a transparent
(WYSIWYG?) UI to the build system.  Which to me means in this regard
we should always be taking a lead on standard user defaults from Maven
and Gradle themselves.

In terms of NetBeans' own build, I have mixed feelings.  I would note
that using Frgaal in NetBeans' build was previously vetoed, so I'd be
interested to see how concerns and impacts raised in that are
addressed differently with this proposal.  eg. I remember one concern
being about non-standard build tools in relation to the IDE and
platform applications inside Linux distros.  Everything that Michael
says in this thread certainly needs consideration.

Best wishes,

Neil

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