Could it be a solution to continue Java 8 on a branch and then, if that works, i.e., if the work that needs to be done is actually done there, we bring it back into the main repo -- i.e., we put it on a sidetrack for one release, to see if this lightens the burden for those who have felt frustrated and so that those who rightly are focused on backward compatibility have a place to prove that the approach they propose works?
Gj (with compromise cap firmly on head) On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 10:15 AM Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de.invalid> wrote: > > Tbh, I'd rather stick with Java8 for now and then move to Java 17 at some > point in time. > > Java11 is not as much used in the industry, it was kind of totally ignored by > some companies and bigger projects. It also imo doesn't bring that much of a > benefit for the code base. Plus the eco system is rather slowly moving. There > are still too many Java 8 projects actively being used and maintained in the > industry. And we still have Android as was mentioned. > > There will be the time to move away from Java8, but right now it might be a > tad too early imo. > > So I'm rather > -0.5 > > LieGrue, > strub > > > > > Am 03.04.2023 um 18:10 schrieb Michael Bien <mbie...@gmail.com>: > > > > +1 from my side! > > > > very well thought out proposal in my opinion. > > > > The LTS-1 model is also easy to communicate and to understand which has > > some benefits in itself. > > > > Further, the option to branch a NetBeans LTS release if there is such > > demand should cover all eventualities. I agree that we > > should be open to that option, assuming there is enough interest and branch > > maintainers can be found. > > > > best regards, > > michael > > > > > > On 03.04.23 11:38, Neil C Smith wrote: > >> As mentioned elsewhere, I'm kicking off a process to bring this issue > >> to a decision. For various reasons, having a decision before we > >> branch off NB18 is desirable. I've drawn up a draft proposal (below) > >> that tries to encompass most of what has been expressed, and hopefully > >> achieves that - thanks to those who have already given feedback in its > >> iteration. > >> > >> This thread will be active for 7 days. Expressions of support and > >> disagreement welcomed. In particular, if you -1 please offer an > >> alternative to all or part of this proposal that you're able to help > >> implement. We should try and reach a consensus position that removes > >> any block. If after the 7 days we cannot do this, then we move to a > >> vote on this with any agreed amendments. > >> > >> See also the page at > >> https://community.apache.org/committers/consensusBuilding.html > >> > >> Thanks, Neil > >> > >> ==================================================================== > >> > >> # Proposed policy > >> > >> * Apache NetBeans 18 will be the last release to support running the > >> platform on JDK 8. > >> > >> * From Apache NetBeans 19, the minimum JDK required to build and run > >> the IDE or platform will be JDK 11. > >> > >> * Future releases will take an "LTS-1" strategy for building and > >> running (and CI testing) of the IDE and platform. Three JDKs will be > >> supported at any one time - the current JDK, plus the previous two LTS > >> releases. eg. NetBeans 20 and 21 (Nov 2023 / Feb 2024) will support > >> JDK 11, 17 and 21. NetBeans 22 (May 2024) will support JDK 17, 21 and > >> 22. > >> > >> ## Background > >> > >> The Apache NetBeans IDE has officially required JDK 11 to build and > >> run since NetBeans 13 in March 2022. The platform (and unofficially > >> the IDE) have continued to support running on JDK 8 - all modules > >> requiring a higher JDK must currently be optional. Various tests have > >> continued on JDK 8. > >> > >> This situation is causing issues as workarounds must be found for > >> currently non-optional features that have dependencies or other > >> requirements for running on a higher JDK (eg. Maven indexing / Lucene > >> [1]). It's causing delays, complications and missed testing time in > >> integration of new features (eg. problems merging support for EE 10 > >> [2]). Supporting an increasing range of JDKs is causing increasing > >> workload, both for people and CI. Meeting the challenges of deprecated > >> (for removal) features in the JDK is also complicated by the > >> additional JDK requirements. > >> > >> ## Notes > >> > >> * Apache NetBeans users will continue to be recommended to use the > >> current or latest LTS JDK to run the IDE. The IDE will continue to > >> support users developing projects for/with JDK 8, for as long as > >> nb-javac and other dependencies allow. > >> > >> * This proposal specifically doesn't address when the default bytecode > >> level across the codebase is increased. This can happen when required, > >> but non-optional modules would be free to adopt the minimum JDK as > >> they need to. > >> > >> * Optional modules may continue to require a runtime JDK higher than > >> the minimum. Should it become necessary, build time optional modules > >> might be considered - eg. a build on the minimum JDK may exclude > >> modules that will not run on that JDK at runtime. > >> > >> * Some modules that are of independent use (eg. lookup, utilities, > >> etc.) might be nominated and advertised to continue JDK 8 support for > >> the time being. This is not expected to cover the runtime container as > >> a whole - https://netbeans.apache.org/tutorials/nbm-runtime-container.html > >> > >> * Once NetBeans 19 is released, the NetBeans 18 release branch could > >> be used to backport and release JDK 8 supporting fixes, subject to any > >> PMC members wanting to manage those releases. > >> > >> * The term "platform" is used in reference to the whole framework of > >> modules that we release (eg. via Maven), not just the platform > >> cluster. > >> > >> [1] https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4999 > >> [2] https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4692 > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > >> > >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
