On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 at 22:58, Matthias Bläsing <[email protected]> wrote: > Am Sonntag, dem 07.06.2026 um 19:43 +0200 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga: > > It’s just me, Pieter, and Timon. With the idea of working towards a > > reproducible Apache NetBeans approved process for generating installers and > > gathering funds and potentially enabling the providing of support. But all > > things take time. > > my take aways from the points raised are: > > * FoN is a small group, that is willing to work with the PMC > * The JDK bundled with FoN build should be a JDK matching > OpenJDK, without additional modules > * The ASF release process is what must finish before publication of > the FoN build can happen. > * Requests from the PMC should be honoured, especially if it concerns > potentially distributing unreleased binaries > * FoN should not distribute NetBeans without JDK > > This does not sound that undoable?!
Agreed, although this misses one other point which I consider at least as important. Community installers should be built, tested and signed off by a PMC member. That is fundamentally different from independent third-party installers. They are produced and advertised in sync with our release candidates and releases. The point of migrating the installers from me (Codelerity) to FoAN, when people wanted them to be the primary installers, was two-fold. Remove Codelerity as the responsible entity (which I've been trying to do for years and still hasn't happened) and allow opening up build access to other PMC members so our linked installers are not tied to one person. This was discussed in multiple threads here before. *If* we decide or vote on an alternative to the PMC requirement, then we need to know how the installers will be tested and signed off, how syncing will work, and how we don't just land maintenance issues upstream given installer issues affecting the IDE or packager cannot then be resolved directly by the person doing the installer release. If we don't change the criteria, then as I said earlier, the workload for the PMC of running installers here or externally is really the same. Ignoring the initial setup to bring them back or whether non-JDK installers are actually desirable. There are 66 PMC members who could run this process, two of whom are involved directly in FoAN. There are 83 committers if we expanded the pool of people to them. To quote you - this does not sound that undoable?! Best wishes, Neil --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
