People on this mailing list, yes.

Oracle and companies in general do not exist in Apache. Only indivudusl
contributors exist. Together, as individual contributors, including
contributors from many organizations (see the initial contributors list in
the proposal) will work on this together.

No release without code grant, yup. No one will be able to contribute
without an iCLA.

Corporate contributor agreements are not really relevant for Apache and
seem to exist mainly to provide a feeling for individual contributors that
their company supports their work.

Gj

On Saturday, October 8, 2016, Emilian Bold <[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't understand. Does "together" mean Oracle and the ASF or people on a
> mailing list?
>
> Is an incubating project allowed to make a release without the code grant?
>
> Do new contributors even need an iCLA before the code grant? Because what
> they actually need is the Oracle Contributor Agreement on file.
>
>
> --emi
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> [email protected] <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > All this we will be documenting and working out together once the Wiki is
> > available.
> >
> > Definitely, though, we will not leave the incubator without the code
> grant
> > and handover of d9maibs etc.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Saturday, October 8, 2016, Emilian Bold <[email protected]
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Now that NetBeans is officially incubating, could somebody tell me if
> > there
> > > is some sort of timeline or deadline regarding the code grant,
> trademarks
> > > and netbeans.org handover?
> > >
> > > Basically, will the handover happen at the end of incubation or during?
> > >
> > > --emi
> > >
> >
>

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