I agree. With swing/javafx you have a quite complete set of basic ui controls 
and a small niche market of third party components. With html/css you have a 
small/incomplete set of controls, but a huge market of free and commercial 
component libraries. 

If you want a component suite, you could have a look  into kendo ui, prime ui, 
onsen ui, ionic, and many more. btw. For Polymer there’s also a nice data grid:
https://www.webcomponents.org/element/TonyGermaneri/canvas-datagrid 


-Toni

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> Am 19.03.2018 um 22:18 schrieb Toni Epple <toni.ep...@eppleton.de>:
> 
> Yes, with java 9 and the jlink tool you can get jvms as small as 13mb.
> 
> Your experiment sounds like alot of fun :)
> 
> Von meinem iPad gesendet
> 
>>> Am 19.03.2018 um 20:52 schrieb Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org>:
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 at 14:24 Toni Epple <toni.ep...@eppleton.de> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On linux a natively packaged JavaFX application is about 40mb (without
>>> webview).
>> 
>> 
>> Is that with the JRE as well?  On disk or as distributed?  That's smaller
>> than I expected.  I don't really use JavaFX, and native packaging doesn't
>> seem to want to work on my system at the moment or I'd have checked.
>> 
>> 
>>> I don‘t think we need any of the Electron / NodeJS APIs when we use our
>>> HTML/Java APIs, since we have access to the complete Java API. We’ve been
>>> developing reasonably large applications with it, and we didn‘t miss
>>> anything so far.
>>> 
>> 
>> Is that with use of any AWT things though?
>> 
>> Spent the last few hours getting my head around HTML4J and Electron (and
>> more Gradle :-\ ).  Got your visual demo working on the JVM inside
>> Electron, using your browser presenter for now.  No idea how useful any of
>> that will prove to be, but good to start getting my head around the APIs we
>> have anyway. :-)
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Neil
>> -- 
>> Neil C Smith
>> Artist & Technologist
>> www.neilcsmith.net
>> 
>> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
> 
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