On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 8:30 AM Sebastien Lorquet <sebast...@lorquet.fr> wrote:
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>
> On 27/02/2025 13:53, Filipe Cavalcanti wrote:
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>   1. Contributing Guidelines with hints for Reviewers.
>
> > We are adding additional section for Reviewers to Contributing
> > Guidelines in order to provide checklist and complementary set of
> > rules that should filter out breaking code as much as possible also
> > on our side.
>
> +1 Tomek
> +1 Alin
> +1 Tiago
> +1 TimK
> +1 Lup
> +1 Filipe
> +1 Sebastien
+1 Nathan

>
> 2. PR and GIT COMMITS must adhere to Contributing Guidelines or
> rejected.
>
> > Each PR and GIT COMMIT **must** adhere to requirements presented in
> > Contributing Guidelines or will be auto-rejected until fixed /
> > updated. Both code authors and reviewers/committers must follow the
> > rules. Special cases are defined in a separate dedicated rules.
>
> +1 Tomek
> +1 Alin
> +1 Tiago
> +1 TimK
> +1 Lup
> +1 Filipe
> +1 Sebastien
+1 Nathan


> 3. Git commit messages as important as PR description.
>
> > Git commit messages are as important as PR descriptions. These
> > provide in-code descriptions of each change and are git interface
> > independent.
>
> +1 Tomek
> +1 Alin
> +1 Tiago
> +1 TimK
> +1 Lup
> +1 Filipe
> +1 Sebastien
+1 Nathan


> 4. Proper description details requirements.
>
> > Proper description of change is mandatory. Description must contain
> > explanation on what proposed change do, why it is necessary, what if
> > fixes, and how things are changed / fixed / updated, what is the
> > impact (build / runtime / api / what area), how it was tested. Local
> > code build and real world hardware runtime test logs must be provided
> > (for code related changes). Description can be single..several
> > sentences long or bullet points but enough for anyone to understand
> > change goals and details. Usually it will look similar for PR and git
> > commit  message.
>
> +1 Tomek ( However I understand this PR template is separate from the
> rule
> and will be updated / voted independently.)
> +1 Alin
> +1 Tiago
> +1 TimK (better to have the 'Motivation/Background' section, while
> simplifying the rest. In my view, commit messages should address the
> 'What', whereas PR documents should elaborate more on the 'Why'.)
> +1 Lup
> +1 Filipe
> +1 Sebastien
+1 Nathan


> 6. Git commit message must adhere to description requirements.
>
> > Proper GIT COMMIT message according to template is mandatory, or
> > change is rejected until fixed / updates. Build and runtime logs are
> > optional here if these are too long and already provided in PR.
>
> > Git commit message consists of:
> > 1. Topic with functional name prefix, ":" mark, and short
> > self-explanatory context.
> > 2. Blank line
> > 3. Description on what is changed, how, and why. May use several
> > lines, short sentences, or bullet points.
> > 4. Blank line.
> > 5. Signature (created with `git commit -s`).
>
> > GIT COMMIT TEMPLATE / EXAMPLE:
>
> > net/can: Add g_ prefix to can_dlc_to_len and len_to_can_dlc.
>
> > Add g_ prefix to can_dlc_to_len and len_to_can_dlc to
> > follow NuttX coding style conventions for global symbols,
> > improving code readability and maintainability.
> > * you can also use bullet points.
> > * to note different thing briefly.
>
> +1 Tomek
> +1 Alin
> +1 Tiago
> +1 TimK (Regarding the commit message header, I recommend using the
> style adopted by the Angular Community, which is widely accepted.
> <type>(<scope>): <short summary>)
> +1 Lup
> +1 Filipe (let's make sure we have example for this on docs and also on PR 
> bot)
> +1 Sebastien
+1 Nathan


> 7. Git commit message mandatory fields (topic, desctiption, signature).
>
> > Each git commit message must consist of topic, description, and
> > signature (git commit -s), as presented in GIT COMMIT TEMPLATE, which
> > are mandatory, or change is auto-rejected until fixed / updated.
>
> +1 Tomek
> +1 Alin
> +1 Tiago
> +1 TimK
> +1 Lup
> +1 Filipe
> +1 Sebastien
+1 Nathan


> 8. Changes must come with documentation.
>
> > Changes must come with with documentation update where applicable. For
> > maintenance reasons code and documentation should be split into two
> > separate PR with the same name marked [1/2 CODE] for code and [2/2
> > DOC] for documentation. If change presents new functionality a
> > documentation must be provided along with the code (not in future). If
> > change requires documentation  update it must be contained along with
> > the code (not in future). Successful documentation build log shortcut
> > is welcome.
>
> > See: https://github.com/apache/nuttx/blob/master/INVIOLABLES.md
>
> 0: Tomek (Having documentation in a single PR (same pr separate commit)
> is
> easier to perform and review, otherwise we may get out of code/doc
> sync? But if this is the only way and better for release manager then
> okay.)
> 0 Alin (Having documentation in a single PR (same pr separate commit)
> is
> easier to perform and review. The release process can use it)
> 0 Tiago. Yes, documentation should be provided, but I don't see any
> reason
> for
> splitting it into two different PRs. We keep our documentation in the
> same
> repository and - for the sake of traceability - it should be updated in
> the
> same PR (separate commit, not PR). We should make reviewers' and
> committers
> lives easier. Alternative writing would be:
> "*Changes must come with a documentation update where applicable. For*
> *maintenance reasons, code and documentation should be split into two*
> *commits in the same PR. If change presents new functionality,
> documentation*
> *must be provided along with the code (not in the future). If change*
> *requires a documentation update it must be contained along with the
> code*
> *(not in the future).*"
> -1 TimK (I'd like say "should" instead of "must".)
> 0 Lup. It depends? Smaller PRs can include a Doc Commit. When I add a new
> Arch + Board (e.g. StarPro64), the PR will include a link to my article
> that explains the new code. Then I prepare another PR for the User Docs.
> -1 Filipe (Don't see any problem in having documentation on same PR, in fact 
> I think it makes things easier.)
> -1 separate commits in same pr
-1 Nathan: Similar to others' comments. Also, could be same PR but
separate commits?

> Note: Lup: web pages vanish. Documenting new code on your blog is cool but 
> feel insufficient for the future of the nuttx project, that should stay 
> self-contained. You cannot guarantee your website will always stay online.

My comment: Multiple people have their own blogs. Could we create a
blog on the NuttX website and everyone may contribute articles there?
Eventually, these blogs could be turned into official documentation,
too. If you want to, you could contribute your article to NuttX's
official blog and also publish it on your personal blog.


> 9. Zero trust approach to user testing.
>
> > We implement zero trust approach to user provided testing. It is the
> > commit author duty to provide real world hardware build and runtime
> > logs for at least one device. Remember that any code change may break
> > things for others, please avoid that.
>
> > See: https://github.com/apache/nuttx/blob/master/INVIOLABLES.md
>
> +1 Tomek
> +1 Alin
> +1 Tiago
> +1 TimK
> +1 Lup
> +1 Filipe
> +1 Sebastien
+1 Nathan


> 10. Breaking changes not welcome.
>
> > Breaking changes are not welcome. We do not "break by design". When
> > unavoidable, breaking changes need prior discussion and agreement of
> > the community (see Breaking Changes handling rule). This is anything
> > that alters Build / Kernel / Architecture / API, alters both nuttx
>
> and
>
> > nuttx-apps repo at the same time, breaks build/runtime/api for single
> > or many boards/architectures/applications, breaks self-compatibility,
> > breaks build/runtime compatibility with existing release code
> > (packages) both for nuttx and nuttx-apps, etc. Because thousands of
> > users / companies and their projects / products depend on NuttX code,
> > we strongly prefer self-compatibility and long-term maintenance over
> > "change is good" ideologies. Any code change may impact other users
> > and their business, please keep that in mind.
>
> > See: https://github.com/apache/nuttx/blob/master/INVIOLABLES.md
>
> +1 Tomek
> +1 Alin
> +1 Tiago
> +1 TimK
> +1 Lup
> +1 Filipe
> +1 Sebastien
+1 Nathan


> 11. Respect long term maintenance and self-compatibility
>
> > We respect long term maintenance and self-compatibility is our
> > ultimate goal. Alternative solutions and non-invasive approaches are
> > preferred that offers user a choice and compatibility. Breaking
> > changes are avoided, and planned towards next major release, see
> > Breaking Changes rule.
> > Experimental code that does not impact overall project
> > self-compatibility in terms of Breaking Changes should be clearly
> > marked [EXPERIMENTAL].
>
> > See: https://github.com/apache/nuttx/blob/master/INVIOLABLES.md
>
> +1 Tomek
> +1 Alin
> +1 Tiago
> +1 TimK
> +1 Lup
> +1 Filipe
> +1 Sebastien
+1 Nathan


> 13. Breaking changes build and runtime test logs are mandatory.
>
> > Breaking changes are special case where build and runtime test logs
> > (i.e. apps/ostest) from more than one different  architecture is
> > **mandatory** . QEmu tests does not count here as it passed breaking
> > change that did not work on a real hardware. Community support is
> > desired.
>
> > See: https://github.com/apache/nuttx/blob/master/INVIOLABLES.md
>
> +1 Tomek
> +1 Alin
> +1 Tiago
> +1 TimK
> +1 Lup
> +1 Filipe
> +1 Sebastien also some mandatory documentation on how to fix the build after 
> the breaking change. rust has cargo fix. Python has 2to3.
+1 Nathan


> 14. Minimum code reviews.
>
> > Each PR requires at least 2 independent positive reviews, except
> > Breaking Changes where at least 4 positive independent organizations
> > reviews, are required before merge to the upstream.
>
> +1 Tomek( Although I think 3 should be default to increase cross-
> checks.)
> +1 Alin (minimum 3)
> +1 Tiago. I still prefer Nathan's proposal of creating "areas".
> Documentation and
> experimental features shouldn't require 2 reviewers. For the sake of
> simplicity, this rule works.
> Even 2 reviewers for documentation and experimental features are too
> restrictive.
> -1 TimK ("at least 2 independent positive reviews", may be too high bar
> we set.)
> +1 Lup
> +1 Filipe
> +1 Sebastien
0 Nathan. Tiago summarized my proposal above. However, I am OK with
whatever the community decides on this.


> 15. Reviews independence.
>
> > PR Reviews should come from independent organizations. Each PMC
> > Member, Committer, and Reviewer must report up-to-date Affiliation
>
> for
>
> > clear identification. When code comes from the same organization as
> > positive review, then at least one independent review is necessary
> > (except Breaking Changes). Self review is not allowed.
>
> > See: https://github.com/apache/nuttx/blob/master/INVIOLABLES.md
>
> +1 Tomek
> +1 Alin
> +1 Tiago
> +1 TimK
> +1 Lup
> +1 Filipe
> -1 Sebastien No. Reviewers must not be from same organization as coder. 
> Otherwise there is no independence.
?? Nathan: Reviews from same organization are nice to have, but
shouldn't count toward number of reviews needed.


> 16. Self company commit/review/merge not allowed *
>
> > Single company commit, review, merge is not allowed. Each PMC Member,
> > Committer, and Reviewer must report up-to-date Affiliation for clear
> > identification.
>
> > See: https://github.com/apache/nuttx/blob/master/INVIOLABLES.md
>
> +1 Tomek
> +1 Alin
> +1 Tiago
> +1 TimK
> +1 Lup
> +1 Filipe
> 0 Sebastien
+1 Nathan


> 17. Merge rules.
>
> > Each change **must** be provided as PR that undergoes independent
> > review process. Self committed code merge with or without review is
> > not allowed, just as direct push to master, and will be punished.
>
> +1 Tomek
> +1 Alin
> +1 Tiago
> +1 TimK (However, I would prefer the maintainer to perform a 'squash
> merge' by default. In the case of a significant or breaking PR change,
> we could consider a 'rebase merge'.
> On a second thought, why does GitHub provide the 'Squash' option?)
> +1 Lup
> +1 Filipe
> +1 Sebastien
+1 Nathan. We should guard our master branches from direct pushes. See
https://github.com/apache/infrastructure-asfyaml?tab=readme-ov-file#branchpro


> 18. PR as small as possible .
>
> > 1. Pull Requests should be as small as possible and focused on only
> > one functional change.
> > 2. Different functional changes must be provided in separate Pull
> Requests.
> > 3. PR may contain several commits but every single commit included
> > must not break break overall build, runtime, and compatibility,
> > especially for other  components.
> > 4. PR that breaks build or runtime anyhow is considered a Breaking
> > Change, is not welcome and requires special considerations (see
> > Breaking Changes rule).
> > 5. PR that introduces a new feature must have Documentation included
> > in separate commit.
> > 6. When changes for dedicated function must be bundled together in
> > order to maintain functionality and self-compatibility, exception can
> > be made, and this must be clearly stated there is no other way and
> > this is not a Breaking Change.
>
> +1 Tomek
> +1 Alin
> +1 Tiago
> +1 TimK
> +1 Lup
> +1 Filipe (item 5 clashes with voting item 8 discussion) Sebastien: I'm ok 
> with a single PR that contains separate commits for code and doc.
> +1 Sebastien
+1 Nathan


> 19. Lazy Consensus.
>
> > A PR may be *eligible* to be merged under the concept of *Lazy
> > consensus* with the following conditions:
> > 1. It affects only a single chip or board (no kernel/libs/upper-half
> > drivers etc).
> > 2. It implements a new feature (or app) that doesn't introduce any
> > breaking changes or backward incompatibility.
> > 3. It didn't get the minimum reviewers after two weeks.
> > 4. At least one independent reviewer reviewed it.
> > 5. It adheres to all other Contributing Guide requirements
> conditions.
> > The PR's author should:
> > 1. After a week without any reviewers, send an e-mail to the mailing
> > list asking for more people to review it.
> > 2. Explain why the PR can't be split into smaller PRs (if
> applicable).
> > 3. After two weeks ask for the independent reviewer to merge if there
> > are no other reviews. The independent reviewer is responsible for
> > checking if the PR matches the *Lazy Consensus* conditions before
> > merging it.
>
> -1: Tomek (Considering we are leaving 2 reviewers as is (increased to 4
> for
> breaking changes), lazy consensus may undermine quality, I think this
> point is not required anymore :-))
> -1 Alin (we risk critical bugs or harmful code to slip as lazy
> consensus )
> -1 Tiago. For the sake of simplicity, let's adopt rule 14 only and
> re-evaluate in
> the future.
> 0 TimK
> 0 Lup. I don't think this is priority right now? We can tweak the guideline
> later.
> 0 Filipe
> -1 Sebastien NERVER EVER let untrusted and unverified code in without a 
> review even if the process is slowed down. If developer WANTS his code merged 
> the burden is on them to get other reviewers involved so merge becomes 
> possible.
-1 Nathan. I think I suggested Lazy Consensus initially, but after
reading the discussions and comments about this, I think it is better
to let PR authors to request reviews and keep their PR alive.

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