I'm not sure what is the proposal here

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Jacques Le Roux
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Following https://s.apache.org/9pTo (OFBIZ-9877) and
> http://markmail.org/message/2bsp2fsbrdbd6dlb here is a discussion about
> Formatting in OFBiz OOTB.
>
> Note we had already discussions in the past and these should be used as
> references in this discussion
> http://markmail.org/message/calbmwzd4nj32l4g
> http://markmail.org/message/qx3base6tolxfcjf
> http://markmail.org/message/t2am3t6eev6zk5bj
>
> I don't want to repeat myself too much but for the use of readers here, here
> are some points I think are important.
>
> Long in the past I suggested to share and, use as much as possible, the same
> formatter (it must come from Eclipse because IntelliJ can load it but not
> the reverse). But there has never been a consensual agreement on that with
> the team. Years ago I proposed my own formatter. It's there as an attachment
> of https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Coding+Conventions but
> for a reason no longer downloadable. So I added the one I use now:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=776602
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=7766027>
>
> To me (and others in above discussions, see notably Jacopo's point in the
> 1st convo) the most important thing is to not arbitrarily cut lines with
> automated formatter when creating fixing, improving or refactoring patch (it
> could makes sense in formatting patch, but do we really want that?).
>
> IMO Jacopo's point is the simplest solution to this problem: simply don't
> format when patching, or at least do that in specific patches but we then
> need to agree about lines lengths and IMO the longer the better (I use 180
> for code and comments, but of course rarely get so far)
>
> In OFBIZ-9877 Michael said
>     <<I would really like to have a coding style where we can rely on, that
> would make things much easier to maintain an even looking code. Maybe we
> should decide on a mandatory formatting and do a big reformatting session
> with no functional changes to have a common ground to continue with. But
> this is another issue.>>
> To be clear this is not top priority and not the subject of the current
> discussion
>
> About Formatting vs. refactoring:
> My point is: refactoring is not formatting and because refactoring is by
> itself already something which needs careful reviews, adding lines of
> formatting, mix 2 types of things. So, again, the subject of the current
> discussion, it's not functional vs not functional; but no formatting,
> especially lines cut, in commits but formatting commits.
>
> Another important point is the removing of trailing blanks. Why this one
> also? Because both lines cuts and trailing blanks removing are pure
> formatting things which when automated generated a lot of "false changes" in
> patches/commits and make their reviews harder. Most of the time other
> formatting points, like when and where to cut long method signature,
> EntityQuery.use(delegator).from() stuff, etc. should not be a problem. If
> you have ideas about that please share.
>
> So that's mostly it, and the question is: should we share an IDE
> auto-formatter? If so I propose to start from mine and refine, else what?
>
> I understand people not using an IDE will feel less concerned. But I guess
> they can also have an auto-formatter, it's maybe "just" harder to share :/
>
> And about the reasons and goals of this discussion, I see at least
>
> 1. easier review for patches (this is currently not a problem, people no
> longer do that) and commits (but specific formatting commits).
> 2. easier merging when coming from outside
> 3. please adds your...
>
> I propose to use a lazy consensus for this discussion, we don't want to vote
> about formatting ;)
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
>

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