Ah OK
Le 19/04/2019 à 21:16, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
It's already done. I'm suggesting future actions for future JDKs
On Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 8:53 PM Jacques Le Roux <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>
wrote:
Hi Taher,
Sounds like a plan, will you create those Jiras Taher?
Maybe as subtasks of OFBIZ-10757, or simply reusing it w/o closing it
until we swap?
I believe the later is the easiest for all of us, but could be confusing
after a moment.
Jacques
Le 17/04/2019 à 10:02, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
I see no problem in sticking with 8. It would also probably be
beneficial to get the code base to be compatible with Java 11 so that
people who want to upgrade are not restricted from doing so (which we
have done already). In other words, like Scott said, it should be a
"minimum" instead of a "maximum". When we were trying to upgrade we
faced some obstacles and resolved them. which means this needs to be a
task regularly done.
So we could perhaps regularly create JIRAs like "Ensure OFBiz can
operate on Java version X" so that the code base is always forward
compatible.
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 11:57 AM Scott Gray
<scott.g...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:
Reasons to increase the minimum version:
- compelling new features
- end of support of current minimum
Reasons to not increase the minimum:
- potential instability of new version
- complicates the life of users and contributors who still use the
existing
minimum
- lack of expertise in configuring and using new features
I think every few months we should discuss it but I don't think it's
worth
shifting any time soon. The pros need to outweigh the cons, and
personally
I don't really see it at the moment.
The end of support date for 11 probably shouldn't be a consideration at
this point, by the time we even get close to that java 23 LTS will
probably
be a year old :)
Regards
Scott
On Tue, 16 Apr 2019, 00:50 Michael Brohl, <michael.br...@ecomify.de>
wrote:
Ah, sorry Taher if I was not clear enough.
Yes, I think we should do the switch to Adopt Open JDK 8 LTS now for
trunk, 18.12 and 17.12 to make the project independent from the short
cycled releases of the Oracle JDK and the subscription for use of the
Oracle JDK 8 LTS.
I just recognized that Adopt JDK 11 LTS will be available until Sept.
2022. If that is not a mistake I have to refine the timeline: we can
then switch to Adopt Open JDK 11 LTS on trunk right before the release
branch for 19.x is created. I guess that the future LTS releases will
have support for at least 4 years.
That means we would remain Java 8 compatible for the releases 16 to 18
and announce the Java 11 dependency for release 19 and up. This should
give users enough time to plan, test and migrate.
Users could work with release branch 19.x on Open JDK 11 for 2,5 years
then.
For the future, I would suggest to introduce a new Open JDK LTS version
about 3-6 months after the first release, we might want to create a new
release branch in the course of this.
What do you think?
Regards,
Michael Brohl
ecomify GmbH - www.ecomify.de
Am 15.04.19 um 13:25 schrieb Taher Alkhateeb:
Hi Michael,
So just to understand your suggestion clearly. Are you recommending
that we switch from oracle JDK to open JDK now (in 18 and trunk) and
introduce open jdk 11 in 2021?
On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 11:46 AM Michael Brohl <
michael.br...@ecomify.de>
wrote:
Hi Scott, all,
yes, Adopt Open JDK 8 LTS is supported at least untile September 2023
[1]
Thinking about this a bit more I second to stay with Open JDK 8 LTS
for
release branches 17.12, 18.12 and trunk for now.
Professional users/ companies have a very conservative update
strategy
for base technologies like the JDK and we should support it as long
as
it is reasonable.
So, my suggestion would be to introduce Adopt Open JDK 11 LTS with
the
release branch 21.x, meaning that we change to JDK 11 right before
the
release branch will be created. This gives us plenty of time to test
with Java 11 and we can introduce Java 11 features in the trunk after
that. So release branch 22.x would be the first to depend on Java 11.
What do you think?
Best regards,
Michael Brohl
ecomify GmbH - www.ecomify.de
[1] https://adoptopenjdk.net/support.html
Am 15.04.19 um 00:07 schrieb Scott Gray:
My understanding was that openjdk would support java 8 until 2023.
In the past our strategy used to be that we should ensure the code
base
would operate on newer java versions but keep our minimum required
version
as low as possible. That effectively allows users to run whatever
version
they like. So unless there are some compelling new features in java
9/10/11 that we think we must have, I'd prefer it if we kept our
minimum
supported version as low as possible.
For myself, all client projects are still running java 8 (openjdk)
so
before I could continue contributing to OFBiz I would have to figure
out
how to run both versions on my machine with minimal disruption.
Since
I
don't have a huge amount of spare time, I would probably just put it
off
for quite a while and work on other things.
I'm not trying to veto the idea, if the community wants to proceed
then it
should but I doubt I'm the only contributor we'd be putting another
hurdle
in front of.
Regards
Scott
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 at 09:09, Taher Alkhateeb <
slidingfilame...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Well, I could be mistaken but it seems EOL for java 8 is coming
soon
(2019
commercial 2020 personal) [1]. This seems to be the case because
the
new
LTS is out which is java 11.
Also this new release model from oracle seems to be annoying which
is
pushing developers to adopt the openjdk instead. So I guess the
reason for
the upgrade is to strike two birds with one stone: upgrade java and
switch
to openjdk.
With that being said, I don't have a firm opinion on upgrading and
I
just
wanted to highlight things, I leave it to other folks to decide.
[1]
https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/java-se-support-roadmap.html
On Sun, Apr 14, 2019, 10:38 PM Scott Gray <
scott.g...@hotwaxsystems.com>
wrote:
That would probably halt any further contributions from me in the
short
to
medium term.
Can I ask why we need to require 11 when 8 is supported through to
2023?
Regards
Scott
On Sun, 14 Apr 2019, 23:37 Jacques Le Roux, <
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>
wrote:
If nobody disagree, I'll make the last move (ie ask for Java 11
in
build.gradle) in 3 days
Jacques
Le 13/04/2019 à 12:34, Nicolas Malin a écrit :
On 13/04/2019 11:47, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
I just tested, without surprise the trunk HEAD works with Java
11
I did the same with 18.12, works fine
Nicolas
