Re: Working together. was: plans are nice, but what then?

[David E Jones]

Hans,
Thank you for a mature and polite response to an immature and impolite  
message from Tim.

I am saddened by the tone of some recent messages to you from Tim and  
certain others at Hotwax, and I'm glad you are stepping up and  
responding well and being a peacemaker to help hold together the  
community that drives this project.

I've been meaning to respond to this all day and trying to think of  
the best way to do so. Thanks again there, because I'd much rather  
praise a good example than criticize a bad one.

-David


On Oct 21, 2009, at 7:14 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:

Tim,

Let me first say that i appreciate the things you and your people have
done to OFbiz but is that a reason to write such a flame message?  
Yes i
know you contributed a lot similar to what we (I and my people) have
done.

However it sure looks like we have a different focus supporting  
OFBiz, I
am most interested filling the functional gaps that exist in the  
system,
you seem to have most interest in improving existing functions and
presentation and html/css.

Doesn't that fit together well?

Most (all?) of the comments of you and your people i have implemented.

So lets stop this flame, i can already tell you that if you find a
wrongly named variable or a few styles in some ftl code, you sure can
mention them to me and we will try to correct it and we are not  
offended
if you correct it yourself....

lets work together,

regards,
Hans



On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 08:43 -0600, Tim Ruppert wrote:
Agreed, the SFA system definitely needs a lot of love and hopefully
with additional discussion going on in the community we can get some
more traction on that.  At this point, we are using it internally,  
but
haven't had enough time to spend on enhancing this application to the
fullest.

First of all, company based attacks will not be tolerated my friend -
please stop it, it makes you look bad and continues to erode faith.
This is me coming after you for your carelessness, has nothing to do
with my company, so feel free to remember that before you slop this  
up
here.  But if you'd like to talk about contributions and what _we've_
been doing, here you go.

Instead of working on SFA, which btw hasn't seemed to be a have a  
huge
push from the community, we've been spending our time and money
working on rebranding the applications, enhancing the accounting
application, cleaning up all of the amazingly outdated HTML in the
system, adding additional tests to enhance stability, adding and
cleaning up lots of integrations, and adding features to the  
eCommerce
application where they were lacking.  Would you like me to list all  
of
those and the commit messages to go along with them or can we agree
that they would dwarf the garbage you've thrown out below?

The other thing we spend a lot of time on is cleaning up your code  
and
ensuring that your flippant commits don't hurt the system. This  
slight
of hand to look at the grossly neglected SFA system is a cute
distraction, but remember the point - you are not following the best
practices laid down by the community - not our company - and if you
continue you to - I can't imagine why you'd be able to be given the
power to keep doing it.

Do your work, help the community, follow the guidelines, or stop
wasting everyone's time.

Cheers,
Ruppert

On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:16 AM, Hans Bakker wrote:

Can we expect any results on this?

OBIZ-1644 Screens to manage Calendar in SFA webapp
Anil K Patel 14/Feb/08

OFBIZ-1645 Screens to manage Forecast in SFA webapp
Anil K Patel 15/Feb/08

OFBIZ-2364 Competitors & Partners - Sales Force Automation component
Vikas Mayur 27/Apr/09

OFBIZ-2363 Improvements in Sales Force Automation component
Vikas Mayur 27/Apr/09

OFBIZ-2363 Improvements in "Contact" Screens
Ashish Vijaywargiya 27/Apr/09

OFBIZ-2363 Improvements in "Lead" Screens
Ashish Vijaywargiya 27/Apr/09

OFBIZ-2427 Cases - Sales Force Automation component
Ashish Vijaywargiya 06/May/09

Some systems only got successful having CRM/SFA as one of the major
components......

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