On Dec 21, 2009, at 2:04 AM, Adam Heath wrote:

> David E Jones wrote:
>> On Dec 21, 2009, at 1:49 AM, Adam Heath wrote:
>> 
>>> David E Jones wrote:
>>>> On Dec 21, 2009, at 1:35 AM, Adam Heath wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> Author: hansbak
>>>>>> Date: Mon Dec 21 07:31:58 2009
>>>>>> New Revision: 892712
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=892712&view=rev
>>>>>> Log:
>>>>>> Upgrade Axis1 to Axis2. Ofbiz now supports complex parameters in 
>>>>>> webservices including WSDL generation. see OFBIZ-3363 for more info. A 
>>>>>> contribution of Antwebsystems employee Chatree
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Added:
>>>>>>  ofbiz/trunk/framework/service/lib/XmlSchema-1.4.3.jar   (with props)
>>>>>>  ofbiz/trunk/framework/service/lib/axiom-api-1.2.8.jar   (with props)
>>>>>>  ofbiz/trunk/framework/service/lib/axiom-impl-1.2.8.jar   (with props)
>>>>>>  ofbiz/trunk/framework/service/lib/axis2-kernel-1.5.1.jar   (with props)
>>>>>>  ofbiz/trunk/framework/service/lib/axis2-transport-http-1.5.1.jar   
>>>>>> (with props)
>>>>>>  ofbiz/trunk/framework/service/lib/axis2-transport-local-1.5.1.jar   
>>>>>> (with props)
>>>>>>  ofbiz/trunk/framework/service/lib/commons-httpclient-3.1.jar   (with 
>>>>>> props)
>>>>>>  ofbiz/trunk/framework/service/lib/neethi-2.0.4.jar   (with props)
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> ofbiz/trunk/framework/service/src/org/ofbiz/service/test/ServiceSOAPTests.java
>>>>>>    (with props)
>>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>>  ofbiz/trunk/LICENSE
>>>>>>  ofbiz/trunk/framework/common/servicedef/services_test.xml
>>>>>>  ofbiz/trunk/framework/common/src/org/ofbiz/common/CommonServices.java
>>>>>>  ofbiz/trunk/framework/service/src/org/ofbiz/service/ModelParam.java
>>>>>>  ofbiz/trunk/framework/service/src/org/ofbiz/service/ModelService.java
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> ofbiz/trunk/framework/service/src/org/ofbiz/service/engine/SOAPClientEngine.java
>>>>>>  ofbiz/trunk/framework/service/testdef/servicetests.xml
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> ofbiz/trunk/framework/webapp/src/org/ofbiz/webapp/event/SOAPEventHandler.java
>>>>> What about .classpath?
>>>> What about it? We can't assume everyone uses Eclipse...
>>> What does using eclipse have to do with updating that file?  I don't
>>> use eclipse, but I still update .classpath.  I also don't use ant.bat,
>>> yet I just updated that.
>>> 
>>> If you know that you have to keep .classpath updated to make eclipse
>>> work, and you knowingly check in new libraries, or remove old ones,
>>> then why make eclipse broken?  It's really not that hard to change.
>>> 
>>> Honestly, I don't understand why you would think not keeping it
>>> uptodate is a good thing.
>>> 
>>> ... perplexed ...
>> 
>> Where did I write "not keeping it uptodate is a good thing?" And if I didn't 
>> write it, how can you assert I was thinking it?
> 
> How else could what you wrote be interpreted?  Because you responded,
> it seemed to imply that you disagreed that it wasn't important to keep
> it uptodate.
> 
> If you actually meant something else, then you should have said so.
> 
> My 3 words meant that it should have been updated.  What did you
> actually mean?
> 
> I still can't see how your response could be interpreted in any other way.
> 
> And I'm rather perplexed at having to explain my 3 simple words in
> such detail, esp. to you, David.

What does it have to do with your 3 words?

What did I mean? I meant:

What about .classpath? If Hans doesn't use Eclipse, how can you expect him to 
keep that Eclipse-specific file updated, especially since it has been 
historically maintained by Eclipse users. Some things, like the LICENSE and 
NOTICE files that Jacques pointed out, really are responsibilities of 
committers. I wouldn't consider keeping the Eclipse .classpath file one of 
those responsibilities.

Is that clear enough?

Shall I go on? Why are you trying to imply that Hans should do this, as if he's 
made some sort of mistake and it's his responsibility to correct it? Why didn't 
you just correct it yourself if you care so much about it? Who says the 
responsibility belongs to one more than another, and if it doesn't why are you 
trying to get someone else to do something by implying it is their 
responsibility instead of working with them in a more friendly and respectful 
way?

Okay, I think that's about all I can figure out to say on this little topic... 
if you need more clarification and expansion I'll try to put together a more 
general philosophical background. On the other hand, I've written a few blog 
entries that are related to this and that I think explain it rather well.

-David


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