Hi Matt,
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From: "Matt Warnock" <[email protected]>
I don't use Chrome, so I haven't seen the issue. Looks fine in Firefox,
IE and Opera, though. Good work.
What follows is perhaps slightly off-topic, but you *asked* for other
opinions. BTW, when I lived in France, I was often told that whenever
two French men are gathered, you will find at least three opinions. I
have offered several more than my quota under that rule. Mais, "tant
pis." ;)
I would like to see the install stuff streamlined and simplified for us
newbies. I am pretty computer-literate (or I've thought since about
1980) but I am new to Java as well as OFBiz, so there is a lot of stuff
here that was completely foreign to me when I started. We need to
minimize the pain of getting started where we can.
I don't think we can fix "./ant" vs "ant", since Windows doesn't allow
the "./ant" syntax, and Unix pretty much requires it. This problem bit
me early on, like after my first attempted upgrade, and I didn't have a
clue why I was suddenly getting a cascade of weird build errors.
But perhaps we could put a test in build.xml that requires a certain
version of ant and complains unless it gets exactly that. It could then
say something like:
You are running ant version x.xx, but version y.yy is required. The
correct version of ant is provided in the OFBiz root directory. Make
sure you are in that directory, and then (unless you are in Windows)
type "./ant <target>" instead of just "ant <target>".
The README should probably also explain that only Sun/Oracle Java works,
so stay away from the other flavors of Java. I tried to run it under
openJDK, and failed miserably. It should also explain that Java 6 means
1.6, Java 5 means 1.5, and you need the full JDK, not just the JRE. It
seems like there are lots of names (Java EE, Glassfish, other options)
for what a newbie really needs, so maybe even a direct URL to download
would help.
There has been already a such effort in trunk, please see macro.xml. If you want to improve I'd suggest a Jira+patch (same for
README)
I run mostly Debian and Ubuntu (used to be a RedHat guy in the days
before Fedora), and the rc.ofbiz.for.debian has never worked on any
machine I have tried, so I have rolled my own. Perhaps it is just out
of date, or assumes that you want to log to console (which seems
contrary to my notions of an rc.local file). Nor have I seen an actual
I wrote the rc.ofbiz.for.debian and yes it's maybe outdated. Feel free to
contribute your improvements
Debian/Ubuntu package in any "standard" D/U repository, though the build
stuff seems to be there to make them. But I think compiling from source
is as good or better for OFBiz, even for newbies.
But I really see no need for a separate Debian version anyway. The
Redhat version sources a couple of script files that won't exist on
Debian, but those functions we actually use (or quick and dirty
substitutes for them) can be handled with an alias statement or two
under bash, or an environment variable (as we do with $JAVA now). In
addition to "start", "stop" and "restart", we could include targets like
"debug", "svninfo", "backup" or whatever else might be helpful to the
community. I'd be happy to work on a more universal rc.script if the
community feels that might be helpful.
This is Adam's, I never looked at it closely
I find "./ant run-install" and its related family of build targets
confusing to newbies. While "run" does about what I would expect it to,
"run-install" doesn't run ofbiz at all, it just installs the demo data,
and "run-install-seed" does LESS than "run-install", not more. People
who know "ant" may know that "ant -p" gives help on targets, but newbies
like me don't. If I ruled the world (which, sadly :), I don't), the
targets might look something like this:
(the default target would be "help", not "build")
help -> give quick help on ant/ofbiz building
ant is the build tool (like "make") for Java
use the local version (./ant on Unix, cd $OFBHOME on windows)?
popular targets include xyz, for a complete list "ant -p"
this help should NOT include the version test suggested above
test test for correct versions of ant, Sun Java
this should be done before any real building is done
Typing only ant is very convenient in every day work. I don't know what others
think, opininons?
clean-all -> should work through the entity-engine (to be db-agnostic)?
but maybe it should confirm before destroying a production DB?
build -> build all the code for ofbiz.jar (as it does now)
run -> run ofbiz in foreground, showing console log,
using preferred/suggested memory settings, options, etc
install -> configure/install /etc/init.d/ofbiz to run as daemon
Daemon should log to files or syslog, not console
uninstall -> remove scripts created by install
admin-user -> install the admin user only
data-seed -> install only seed data
data-demo -> install only demo data (assume seed is already there)
data-ext -> install only external data (or tell how to create it)
demo -> build, data-seed, admin-user, data-demo, run (don't install)
maybe end by telling them where to point their browser
Just some thoughts as an all-too-recent, and still, newbie.
Thank for them, it's good to share, but please use rather the OFBiz ML, it's a
community and *we* need to share.
Jacques
Matt Warnock <[email protected]>
RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc.
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 21:53 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
From: "Matt Warnock" <[email protected]>
> The new info on the download page is great, good job Ruth and others!
>
> My only comment is that in the right-side panel, it suggests running
> "ant run-install", which is ONLY right for Windows. I am pretty sure
> that on any Unix-derived system this command should always take the form
> "./ant run-install". We should try to get newbies (like me) into that
> habit right away.
Good point Matt, I will fix that, any ideas about the Chrome issue?
> We should also perhaps explain that "run-install" only installs, it
> doesn't run, so you still need to choose from "java -jar ofbiz.jar",
> "./ant run", or better yet "startofbiz.bat" or startofbiz.sh.
Right
> Perhaps a better approach is to just say "Follow the instructions in the
> README file", which covers all of these topics and then some.
Yes indeed, other opinions?
Jacques
> --
> Matt Warnock <[email protected]>
> RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc.
>
> On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 08:45 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html
>> and excellent job.
>>
>> pankaj savita sent the following on 9/16/2010 8:19 AM:
>> > Hi Umesh,
>> >
>> > I also faced the same condition, when I took checkout of ofbiz10.04.
>> > I run command ofbiz10.04>ant run-install
>> > if it Build Successfully, You will get the ofbiz.jar file in path "*
>> > ofbiz10.04/framework/start/lib/ofbiz.jar*"
>> > Copy the ofbiz.jar file from here to path "*Ofbiz10.04/*"
>> > Now run command ofbiz10.04>java -Xms128M -Xmx512M -jar ofbiz.jar
>> > It will deploy ofbiz& start server.
>> >
>> > I hope this could help you.
>> >
>
