From: "David E Jones" <d...@me.com>
On May 3, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Is that harsh and rude? Yep. Do I care any more? Nope. Those who call it harsh or rude or unfair... they are the ones who need
to
rise to the level of quality expected instead of asking me to compromise. I'm
done with that.
Yes maybe a more hierarchised organisation is better to reach some goals. This
needs to be verified... Goal is the important word
here...
I'm not interested in an hierarchy, ie I don't want anyone "under" me that I'm responsible for and have to boss around. Even Moqui
is an unpaid volunteer effort, just more tightly controlled and the meritocracy bar is intentionally set higher. I don't know that
OFBiz would do better as an hierarchy, my opinion is that more "free market" forces are needed and to me that means multiple
competing projects.
Actually, this was almost a provocation, but I did not get totally your point of view as you explain below. What I meant is some
parts could me managed by some persons. We saw that sometimes a consensus is not reached. Unfortunately, collegial decisions does
not work in all cases. That's a fact, a lesson we learned. So I sadly believe we (the community) definitively and ultimately need a
justice of the peace. A person who makes the decision in last resort. Someone Karl Fogel called a benevolent dictator
http://markmail.org/message/euy7qz47u3sjwjvm. That's what we missed those last times and Jacopo sort of complained about. On the
other hand we know things are not as simple as that: there are other means which influence the decisions: blackmail, etc. This said,
and to make things clear, it's about OFBiz community, not about what you are proposing with Moqui which is more decentralized and
entrepreneurs oriented.
The lack of desire to work on things that you mentioned relates to this. If you had your own vision and efforts for a certain part
of the OFBiz ecosystem, you could push that along and feel satisfied and enjoy working on it. If it was in a separate project you
would be able to try out new ideas and prove or disprove them without so much of a peanut gallery, and without having to vote or
come to a consensus (or try to get a lazy consensus by committing quietly).
Sure, that's a good point, who would not agree? I wish I will have enought of
time to seriously commit it in such a project.
It is now my opinion that various separate projects would produce a better community (considering the composite community of all
of the projects), happier contributors, and better software.
I like the idea too. OFBiz is an ERP and it's maybe the reason we ran into these issues: centralization. I know what I'm talking
about: I live in France, and there are few countries more centralized (since Louis XIV and Colbert), maybe North Korea or Cuba :o)
Though things are slowly changing here, for 40 years now... Old country...
Perhaps even for you Jacques a more distributed ecosystem of projects might even be better. If you could work on anything you
wanted, what would it be? What is your greatest strength and area of experience and could a project based on that exist (perhaps
working with others, if you want)?
I have to thing about it. I really enjoyed the work we did with Sascha, last year. For the moment I just enjoy doing nothing, but I
mean really NOTHING :D
Jacques
-David
