Thank you Jacques. XUL is the mozilla UI thing. I didn't use any of the framework mentioned her :)
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Jacques Le Roux <[email protected]> wrote: > From: "Mansour Al Akeel" <[email protected]> >> >> Anil, >> >> I did not mean that putting a component under "specialpurposes" will >> make it used more by developers. >> I meant because it will be used more than other component, let's not move >> it. >> From Jacopo's first email about the Lose Weight : >> >> Legenda for what I propose for each piece of code: >> * Attic: remove from code base and document the removal for future >> reference in this page >> * Extras: identify a person interested in maintaining the code as a >> separate project hosted as an Apache Extra project (not officially >> under the ASF); add a link to it from the page that will contain >> "OFBiz Extras" >> >> He didn't mention anything about what type of applications should >> go/remain under "specialpurposes". >> Since (I think), pos is used more than what went into Exta or Attic, I >> suggested keeping it where it's. >> The question is, will POS be maintained by ofbiz community or another >> party ? If it's will be separated from ofbiz, what about XUL >> integration code? > > > It's not XUL but XUI (which is a dead project, replaced by Aria which now > "smells"* almost as much) > http://xui.sourceforge.net/index.html > http://www.formaria.org/ > This does not prevent the POS to work well... > > Jacques > PS: *"smells" like Frank Zappa said about Jazz: "Jazz isn't dead. It just > smells funny." > http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/show/3092 > Jazz has much evolved since...Not Aria... > > >> should it remain part of the core ofbiz (framework), or moved to the >> component that needs it, and becomes the responsibility of the "POS" >> maintainer ? >> >> >> With regard to changing the License, I think it's possible on any part >> of Ofbiz and not only components under Extra. >> In all cases, users who uses POS more than I do, can give better >> suggestion. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Anil Patel <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Jacques, >>>> I don't use pos, but I think it's good idea to keep it where it's. I >>>> think it's more likely, it will be used more than what goes in Extra. >>>> It fits "specialpurpose". >>>> >>> >>> Why do you think a component will be used more if its in specialpurpose >>> section, instead of Extras. >>> >>> Personally think it opposite, If a business is interested in using POS, >>> they will find be able to find it from Extras as well. >>> Like any other Ofbiz application, The Users of POS application will will >>> respond by saying "UX sucks" :). At that point Company >>> who deployed the POS will be motivated to improve it. If POS is in Extras >>> its will be much easy for new developer to become >>> active committer. >>> >>> In some cases, contributor may want to change License on a components. >>> Doing such thing will be possible for Ofbiz Extras. >>> >>> One of the reasons (I am sure there were many) why OpenTaps was started >>> is License. >>> >>> I will personally like to have more freedom around UI toolset. Ofbiz >>> Extras will make it possible. And if application is well >>> accepted by users then it will get popular and community will grow. >>> >>> Regards >>> Anil Patel >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Anil Patel >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> People are really worried on the idea of moving certain components from >>>>> Ofbiz trunk to Ofbiz Extras. Why is it so? >>>>> >>>>> Moving a component from Ofbiz trunk to Ofbiz Extras does not mean that >>>>> the component is not good and so we are throwing it out. >>>>> Instead idea is to allow components to grow by giving them little more >>>>> freedom. >>>>> >>>>> Like Jacopo mentioned in one of his responses, Projects from Ofbiz >>>>> Extras can still post updates on Ofbiz lists. >>>>> >>>>> Finally if a Project in Extras is useful for business, people will keep >>>>> improving it and community will grow. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks and Regards >>>>> Anil Patel >>>>> HotWax Media Inc >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 21, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> They are more generic sure, I wonder for the pos... >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacques >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Mansour Al Akeel" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques, >>>>>>> Yes. You are right. I meant projectmgr. :) >>>>>>> I believe assetmaint and projectmgr are used more than others and >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> to keep them where they are. >>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> partymgr is in application will not move, you meant ProjectMgr >>>>>>>> right? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: "Mansour Al Akeel" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would recommend keeping partymgr and assetmaint. >>>>>>>>> I am not sure if accounting depends on assetmain. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Pierre Smits >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> + 1 on move of majority of apps in specialpurpose to 'Extras', >>>>>>>>>> excluding >>>>>>>>>> projectmgr as it displays how to use OFBiz in a different industry >>>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>> ecommerce/webshop. Is it not so that OFBiz is versatile. >>>>>>>>>> ProjectMgr does >>>>>>>>>> deliver some of that versatility. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Pierre >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Op 20 maart 2012 12:47 schreef Jacopo Cappellato < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> het volgende: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> H) specialpurpose/*: move several (if not all, apart ecommerce) >>>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> components to "Extras" (if there are persons interested to become >>>>>>>>>>> committers/maintainers) or to "Attic" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There seems to be a general agreement to slim down the number of >>>>>>>>>>> applications in this group and move them to Extras (see >>>>>>>>>>> exceptions >>>>>>>>>>> below). >>>>>>>>>>> I am summarizing here some notes but we should actually use this >>>>>>>>>>> thread >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> continue the discussion about what should go to specialpurpose in >>>>>>>>>>> general >>>>>>>>>>> rather than focusing on the decision about removal of specific >>>>>>>>>>> applications; we can then start a separate thread for each >>>>>>>>>>> component. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Adrian would like to keep one or two components to demonstrate >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> concept >>>>>>>>>>> of reusing artifacts to create custom applications (Jacopo: can >>>>>>>>>>> we use >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> "exampleext" component for this?) >>>>>>>>>>> Hans would like to keep the ones that he considers feature >>>>>>>>>>> complete like >>>>>>>>>>> asset maintenance, LDAP, POS, e-commerce, cmssite, projectmgr and >>>>>>>>>>> scrum. >>>>>>>>>>> Jacopo: in my opinion even in the above list provided by Hans >>>>>>>>>>> there are >>>>>>>>>>> applications that are barely examples (cmssite) or are very >>>>>>>>>>> specific >>>>>>>>>>> implementation of very specific requirements (difficult to be >>>>>>>>>>> used if >>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>> company doesn't have exactly these requirements): projectmgr and >>>>>>>>>>> scrum; >>>>>>>>>>> some of these components also extends (adding special purpose >>>>>>>>>>> fields) >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> generic data model and this happens even if the user is not >>>>>>>>>>> interested >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> evaluating the specialpurpose component. I also don't think that >>>>>>>>>>> some of >>>>>>>>>>> the components meet minimum quality requirements to be >>>>>>>>>>> distributed with >>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz: for example the scrum component uses a mechanism that is >>>>>>>>>>> unique >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> demo its features (i.e. published a demo webapp with online >>>>>>>>>>> instructions >>>>>>>>>>> for demo data) that is not used by other applications (and this >>>>>>>>>>> makes >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> suite of applications inconsistent); also, the component refers >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> resources that are owned by Hans' company. All in all, they seem >>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>> specific piece of codes that should better live as optional >>>>>>>>>>> plugins >>>>>>>>>>> downloaded separately. So in my opinion the "concept" of >>>>>>>>>>> specialpurpose >>>>>>>>>>> application is in general better suited for Apache Extras rather >>>>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> the OFBiz svn and releases. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >
