Scott Gray wrote:
> Keeping things productive was definitely the goal of my email.  A jira just 
> wasn't necessary in this case and requiring one adds
> additional burden to committers with very little real benefit.  The only 
> purpose served would have been if somebody actually
> applied the patch and tested it which is unlikely and would have probably 
> taken at least a few days, no design discussion was
> needed.  Adrian fixed the issue within a few hours of receiving a proper 
> description of what the problem was which is fantastic. 

I was more thinking about a Jira creation at the initial time. After the 
discussion took place, year ago.
The general idea is to not hesitate to create a Jira issue with as simple info 
as possible. 
I don't see it as really a burden, and it's all benefits at long term. Because 
you have better capabilities to categorize, historize and search than on a 
simple ML.
 
> The *only* issue here is that code was reverted without *any* discussion or 
> notification of the problems faced.  A bit rude for
> sure, but I don't think it is the end of the world.  I would only ask that 
> Hans be more mindful in the future and follow the
> process we've always followed for as long as I can remember.  It only 
> requires us to work together as a team rather than against
> each other.   

+1, KISS when possible, indeed

Jacques

> Regards
> Scott
> 
> On 28/08/2013, at 10:10 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for your opinion Scott,
>> 
>> Let's try to keep it productive...
>> 
>> Yes, that I agreed on: http://markmail.org/message/2e3qo2ydna4lp5gp
>> I'm sure you did not miss it even if it's not part of this email.
>> 
>> I still believe that, the more we share through Jira, the better. For many 
>> reasons it's more effective than ML.
>> For this peculiar case, I must admit, years after, it was out of mind.  Here 
>> a reference to Jira issue, with even a simple
>> sentence in description, possibly with a reference to the "aforementioned" 
>> dev ML thread (the one about "macro widget
>> renderers") and if necessary commit/s reference/s, would have help.  
>> 
>> What we are so far discussing about in this thread is based on what we 
>> already agreed (or at least what I remember about it).
>> First discuss on dev ML and if necessary open a Jira to collect/share 
>> opininons and keep a track on all possible info.
>> If there is nothing let to discuss and it's a simple thing, don't create a 
>> Jira and then code and commit straight away.
>> 
>> Let's now compare the possible flows of actions.
>> 
>> Currently (hell) using present for a better story:
>> Years ago, we discuss  on "macro widget renderers" on dev ML and agree we 
>> can code and commit straight away (correct me if there
>> is/are (a) Jira issue/s about it) 
>> Few days ago, Adrian directly commits changes about macro widget renderers; 
>> without noticing on dev ML, thinking everybody
>> remember what we talked about. 
>> Hans finds few issues and reverts Adrian's commit without noticing anyone on 
>> dev ML. I guess, to do a such thing, at this point
>> Hans did not remember about macro widget renderers and "netiquette" was a 
>> bit upset, or in a hurry. 
>> Adrian is (rightly) upset and then our current discussion begins...
>> 
>> Possibly (heaven):
>> Years ago, we would have discussed  on "macro widget renderers" on dev ML 
>> and created (a) Jira issue/s with references (links)
>> to the discussion and commits and all possibly shared info. 
>> Few days ago, Adrian would have committed changes, noticing others on dev 
>> ML, with just a link about the Jira (or just saying
>> there is one, for others to look for). Possibly only with a comment/link in 
>> the commit. 
>> After Hans finds few issues he can refer to the Jira or/and the previous 
>> discussion about "macro widget renderers". He
>> understands what and why Adrian did, and ask for help on the dev ML, instead 
>> of abruptly reverting Adrian's commit (unfair).- 
>> 
>> As I said, I agree Hans made the misconduct. But it's not a reason to put 
>> all on him and not try to get things better.
>> 
>> This is my opinion (Jira is our friend)
>> 
>> Jacques
>> 
>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>> Stop trying to create some sort of solution to a non-existent problem.  
>>> Things get refactored and sometimes it causes issues,
>>> that is the nature of the trunk and Hans can deal with it the same as 
>>> anyone else, by reporting and/or fixing issues first, and
>>> then reverting if no reasonably quick actions can be taken.
>>> 
>>> It's not appropriate to revert a commit without any discussion whatsoever, 
>>> he didn't even describe the problem until a day
>>> later. How is the original committer supposed to rectify the issue without 
>>> any details?
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> On 28/08/2013, at 7:53 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Then maybe a few words on the dev ML would not have hurt.
>>>> 
>>>> Jacques
>>>> 
>>>> Adrian Crum wrote:
>>>>> That was not the case in my commit. The macro widget renderers were
>>>>> proposed by Jacopo years ago and we discussed it. The implementation was
>>>>> incomplete however. So, I merely finished an incomplete implementation
>>>>> of a new feature we agreed on years ago.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 8/27/2013 3:06 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>> This is indeed a concern. I believe we should always all follow the Jira 
>>>>>> way of sharing and testing before committing any new
>>>>>> major feature or major bug fix (not trivial ones of course). Then, it's 
>>>>>> possible to wait few days for others to check, not
>>>>>> bullet proof but surely better.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>>>> If you would have announced this before you implemented it, i would have
>>>>>>> known, now in first instance we think this is caused by our changes.....
>>>>>>> And only later check the svn updates....
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Hans
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Try entering a purchase invoice:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Expected collection or sequence. parameterList evaluated instead to
>>>>>>> freemarker.template.SimpleScalar on line 51, column 12 in
>>>>>>> component://widget/templates/htmlMenuMacroLibrary.ftl. The problematic
>>>>>>> instruction: ---------- ==> list parameterList as parameter [on line 51,
>>>>>>> column 5 in component://widget/templates/htmlMenuMacroLibrary.ftl] in
>>>>>>> user-directive renderLink [on line 1, column 1 in
>>>>>>> org.ofbiz.widget.menu.MacroMenuRenderer@21cc9647_1074] ---------- Java
>>>>>>> backtrace for programmers: ----------
>>>>>>> freemarker.template.TemplateException: Expected collection or sequence.
>>>>>>> parameterList evaluated instead to freemarker.template.SimpleScalar on
>>>>>>> line 51, column 12 in
>>>>>>> component://widget/templates/htmlMenuMacroLibrary.ftl. at
>>>>>>> freemarker.core.TemplateObject.invalidTypeException(TemplateObject.java:136)
>>>>>>> at freemarker.core.IteratorBlock$Context.runLoop(IteratorBlock.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> try entering a new accounting transaction:
>>>>>>> https://localhost:8443/accounting/control/createAcctgTrans
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Expected collection or sequence. parameterList evaluated instead to
>>>>>>> freemarker.template.SimpleScalar on line 51, column 12 in
>>>>>>> component://widget/templates/htmlMenuMacroLibrary.ftl. The problematic
>>>>>>> instruction: ---------- ==> list parameterList as parameter [on line 51,
>>>>>>> column 5 in component://widget/templates/htmlMenuMacroLibrary.ftl] in
>>>>>>> user-directive renderLink [on line 1, column 1 in
>>>>>>> org.ofbiz.widget.menu.MacroMenuRenderer@6e5faa56_1073] ---------- Java
>>>>>>> backtrace for programmers: ----------
>>>>>>> freemarker.template.TemplateException: Expected collection or sequence.
>>>>>>> parameterList evaluated instead to freemarker.template.SimpleScalar on
>>>>>>> line 51, column 12 in
>>>>>>> component://widget/templates/htmlMenuMacroLibrary.ftl. at
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> and at a number of other places......
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Hans
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 08/27/2013 11:44 AM, Adrian Crum wrote:
>>>>>>>> No one is asking you to fix anything. All you had to do was post a
>>>>>>>> message and I would have fixed it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There was nothing blocking about my commit, and as I said there was no
>>>>>>>> reason to revert it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Reverting a commit the way you did is NOT co-operation, and
>>>>>>>> co-operation is a concept you consistently fail to understand.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 8/26/2013 8:47 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Adrian,
>>>>>>>>> Normally I would try to fix a problem and i did this pretty often.
>>>>>>>>> Because this was a blocking problem i saw no other way then to revert
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Very good to hear you like my commits which at least make a
>>>>>>>>> difference for our end users. Although i personally appreciate your
>>>>>>>>> framework commits, end-users, which are out bread and butter, are
>>>>>>>>> mostly not aware of it.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> good to co-operate with you, your comments are often very helpful,
>>>>>>>>> keep up the good work!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Hans
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 08/26/2013 03:47 PM, Adrian Crum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hans,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Normally, we report problems on the mailing list, not revert someone
>>>>>>>>>> else's commit.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This was rude and uncalled for. If I did the same thing to your
>>>>>>>>>> buggy commits, none of your contributions would make it into the
>>>>>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/25/2013 11:28 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Author: hansbak
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon Aug 26 06:28:00 2013
>>>>>>>>>>> New Revision: 1517434
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1517434
>>>>>>>>>>> Log:
>>>>>>>>>>> revert r1517353: it makes the tomahawk theme unusable
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Removed:
>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz/trunk/framework/widget/src/org/ofbiz/widget/menu/MacroMenuRenderer.java
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz/trunk/framework/widget/templates/htmlMenuMacroLibrary.ftl
>>>>>>>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz/trunk/framework/widget/src/org/ofbiz/widget/screen/MacroScreenViewHandler.java
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz/trunk/framework/widget/src/org/ofbiz/widget/screen/MacroScreenViewHandler.java
>>>>>>>>>>> URL:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/trunk/framework/widget/src/org/ofbiz/widget/screen/MacroScreenViewHandler.java?rev=1517434&r1=1517433&r2=1517434&view=diff
>>>>>>>>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz/trunk/framework/widget/src/org/ofbiz/widget/screen/MacroScreenViewHandler.java
>>>>>>>>>>> (original)
>>>>>>>>>>> +++
>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz/trunk/framework/widget/src/org/ofbiz/widget/screen/MacroScreenViewHandler.java
>>>>>>>>>>> Mon Aug 26 06:28:00 2013
>>>>>>>>>>> @@ -38,10 +38,8 @@ import org.ofbiz.webapp.view.AbstractVie
>>>>>>>>>>>  import org.ofbiz.webapp.view.ViewHandlerException;
>>>>>>>>>>>  import org.ofbiz.widget.form.FormStringRenderer;
>>>>>>>>>>>  import org.ofbiz.widget.form.MacroFormRenderer;
>>>>>>>>>>> -import org.ofbiz.widget.menu.MacroMenuRenderer;
>>>>>>>>>>> -import org.ofbiz.widget.menu.MenuStringRenderer;
>>>>>>>>>>> -import org.ofbiz.widget.tree.MacroTreeRenderer;
>>>>>>>>>>>  import org.ofbiz.widget.tree.TreeStringRenderer;
>>>>>>>>>>> +import org.ofbiz.widget.tree.MacroTreeRenderer;
>>>>>>>>>>>  import org.xml.sax.SAXException;
>>>>>>>>>>>    import freemarker.template.TemplateException;
>>>>>>>>>>> @@ -92,13 +90,15 @@ public class MacroScreenViewHandler exte
>>>>>>>>>>>              ScreenStringRenderer screenStringRenderer = new
>>>>>>>>>>> MacroScreenRenderer(UtilProperties.getPropertyValue("widget",
>>>>>>>>>>> getName() + ".name"), UtilProperties.getPropertyValue("widget",
>>>>>>>>>>> getName() + ".screenrenderer"));
>>>>>>>>>>>              FormStringRenderer formStringRenderer = new
>>>>>>>>>>> MacroFormRenderer(UtilProperties.getPropertyValue("widget",
>>>>>>>>>>> getName() + ".formrenderer"), request, response);
>>>>>>>>>>>              TreeStringRenderer treeStringRenderer = new
>>>>>>>>>>> MacroTreeRenderer(UtilProperties.getPropertyValue("widget",
>>>>>>>>>>> getName() + ".treerenderer"), writer);
>>>>>>>>>>> -            MenuStringRenderer menuStringRenderer = new
>>>>>>>>>>> MacroMenuRenderer(UtilProperties.getPropertyValue("widget",
>>>>>>>>>>> getName() + ".menurenderer"), request, response);
>>>>>>>>>>> +            // TODO: uncomment these lines when the renderers are
>>>>>>>>>>> implemented
>>>>>>>>>>> +            //MenuStringRenderer menuStringRenderer = new
>>>>>>>>>>> MacroMenuRenderer(UtilProperties.getPropertyValue("widget",
>>>>>>>>>>> getName() + ".menurenderer"), writer);
>>>>>>>>>>>                ScreenRenderer screens = new ScreenRenderer(writer,
>>>>>>>>>>> null, screenStringRenderer);
>>>>>>>>>>>              screens.populateContextForRequest(request, response,
>>>>>>>>>>> servletContext);
>>>>>>>>>>> +            // this is the object used to render forms from their
>>>>>>>>>>> definitions
>>>>>>>>>>>              screens.getContext().put("formStringRenderer",
>>>>>>>>>>> formStringRenderer);
>>>>>>>>>>>              screens.getContext().put("treeStringRenderer",
>>>>>>>>>>> treeStringRenderer);
>>>>>>>>>>> -            screens.getContext().put("menuStringRenderer",
>>>>>>>>>>> menuStringRenderer);
>>>>>>>>>>> + //screens.getContext().put("menuStringRenderer",
>>>>>>>>>>> menuStringRenderer);
>>>>>>>>>>>              screens.getContext().put("simpleEncoder",
>>>>>>>>>>> StringUtil.getEncoder(UtilProperties.getPropertyValue("widget",
>>>>>>>>>>> getName() + ".encoder")));
>>>>>>>>>>>              screenStringRenderer.renderScreenBegin(writer,
>>>>>>>>>>> screens.getContext());
>>>>>>>>>>>              screens.render(page);

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