Le 23/10/2014 09:57, Pierre Smits a écrit :
Hi Pierre, All,
Using an umbrella task in JIRA with for each app/component a sub task and
for each set of elements (menus, screens, forms, etc) a sub of sub task,
You can't have sub-sub-tasks in Jira, only sub-tasks
Jacques
you'll have the structure that will also deliver the milestones.
As an alternative, you could use OFBiz ProjectMgr to manage this
(components as phases, component elements as tasks, but then you'll need to
have access to an OFBiz implementation that is available over a longer
period of time (demo doesn't cut it as it is cleaned every night).
A structure could look like:
Bootstrapping HTML5 CSS ETC (the umbrella Task)
- Theme aspects (sub task)
- CSS (sub of sub task)
- etc
- App 1
- menus
- screens
- forms
- etc
- App 2
- .
- .
- App N
- Development documentation
This way the completion of each sub of sub and sub task is a mile stone.
And as soon as all tasks are completed it can be considered implementation
ready.
I believe that we shouldn't consider revamping all themes currently
available in this.. If people want to have a specific theme revamped, they
can create the appropriate JIRA issues and work on that after this major
endeavour is completed.
Regards,
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
Services & Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail & Trade
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On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 8:46 AM, pierre <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi all,
One thing which seems to me important:
It would be great to add a milestone of screens customisation. Even if
screens are thought well, for very numerous customer projects, it is often
necessary to modify screens to adapt them.
The idea is to make customizable screens without having to modify the
source code.
I see at least 3 levels of configuration:
- the menu: mask / show items
- the general structure of page : Be able to add or mask a
"portlet" or " widget"
- the structure of a form : be able to mask / to show fields.
All this should be done by a configuration in basis.
There is a technique of portlets already existing into OFBiz, I find that
it may be a good starting point.
Do you think it could be added as a milestone?
Pierre
On 23/10/2014 08:12, Julien NICOLAS wrote:
Hi Taher,
Le 21/10/2014 18:26, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
Hi Julien,
I think it might be a bit challenging and early to start creating teams
specialized in certain functions this early on.
Maybe team is not the word, we could tell "work group". Work group will
probably contain same people.
We did not yet define what
we're going to do nor do we have a real feel for the size of this job and
the best way to split efforts, not to mention that some of the tasks are
probably dependent on each other.
Yes, it was a suggestion. And as you mention, tasks are dependent on each
other. That's why I wanted to go further.
If I may suggest instead, we need to perhaps go through the tasks
themselves and see what needs to be accomplished. To that end, I would
focus on the deliverables themselves in the beginning such as:
- Identify the major milestones or objectives
- Discuss and decide upon the best methodology for implementation of the
above objectives
- Decide on a collaboration platform (in addition to what exists) if any.
- Dive into code directly and just hand off tasks to volunteers who find
them interesting / appealing from the team
Once we get the project into momentum and you have enough interested and
dedicated people then you can put some structure and specialization into
it.
Right !
Now to that end, I would suggest the following major milestones as
necessary
- Integration of bootstrap and its dependencies to the framework,
specifically into the widget system
For this point I suggest to work on this way : Create tool to delegate
HTML widget structure (and other structure) into theme framework.
To be clear, I suggest to not integrate bootstrap only but modify the
framework to allow any other HTML/CSS frameworks integration without
modifying the OFBiz framework.
But we'll do it for bootstrap first.
- The utilization of bootstrap into the themes (each theme as a
milestone)
- Documentation including XSD file definitions, wiki, DocBook stuff etc
...
- Standardization of the UI everywhere (perhaps each component as a
milestone)
What do you think?
If everybody is ok, we can start the first step \o/
Thanks Taher,
Julien.
Taher Alkhateeb
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Julien NICOLAS <
[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi,
My apologize for answering late, I was deep under the annual balance
sheet
for my company...
Thanks Jonatan for informations.
I try to find specific theme for the front end in the branch that you
told
me but I can't find were it can be enable... I didnt' search a lot so
maybe
it was just closed to my nose and I didn't seen it... ^^
Anyway I think a lot about the work we have to do and I think it could
be
interesting to go deeper in the GUI modifications.
Including bootstrap framework in OFBiz will be a step but maybe we can
go
ahead and modify best practices of screen creation. Define a design
pattern
that developers can follow to create standardized screens.
So we can define teams to work simultaneously :
- Team 1 - Framework modifications
- Team 2 - List actual standard screens, list actual tools and send
survey to know tools that people need in the GUI (like breadcrumb,
better
treeview, calendar, etc.)
- Team 3 - Create the new GUI design. Define new standardization
for
screen listed by Team 2.
A fourth team could be work on new tools integration, tests and
validations.
Maybe it's too ambitious and we have to go step by step but I think if
we
have enough good soul to work on, we can do it !
Let me know your feeling about this.
Julien.
PS : I can't modify the wiki that contain bootstrap integration
definition. Is it possible to have modifications right ? Maybe it's
better
to create specific wiki page ?
Le 14/10/2014 22:52, Jonatan Soto a écrit :
Hi all,
I made a similar proposition a year ago (see
http://markmail.org/message/jc7nfodhtoordqli) but unfortunately I
couldn't
find the time to work on that. I'm not sure if I'll be able to join on
this
but I'll try.
On the other hand, I seem to remember that there was a branch already
created for this (
https://fisheye6.atlassian.com/browse/ofbiz/branches/
frontendNewTheme2013-05-10)
and a Jira ticket (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5040).
Cheers,
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Adrian Crum <
[email protected]> wrote:
You can create a branch for this effort.
Adrian Crum
Sandglass Software
www.sandglass-software.com
On 10/14/2014 1:44 AM, Nicolas Malin wrote:
Hi,
The best way will be open a issue and manage by sub task each step.
After that dev mailing list is good to sharing. Webconf and jabber
are
interesting for dynamic and quick exchange but keep in mind to report
the talking result on the mailing or issue.
It's important for the follow-up :)
Nicolas
Le 2014-10-13 09:56, Julien NICOLAS a écrit :
Hi Taher,
I think that we can use the OFBiz wiki to write the action plan and
tasks to do, etc.
I was thinking about regular webconf and we can be connected via
jabber.
But maybe ofbiz dev use other collaborative tools ?
Any suggestions ?
Regards,
Julien.
Le 13/10/2014 09:48, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
Hi Nicolas,
Great! I'm rubbing hands in excitement. What is the next action
now?
open a JIRA, have a discussion on mailing list? Furthermore, such a
project requires a lot of collaboration. Do we have a platform or a
solution for easier collaboration on this project?
Regards,
Taher Alkhateeb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicolas Malin" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, 13 October, 2014 4:47:05 AM
Subject: Re: Theme bootstrap
Hi all,
I updated the page
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/
New+Features+Roadmap+-+Living+Document,
Now the best way will be move the discussion on dev and set your
battle
line on jira ;)
Nicolas
Le 2014-10-10 15:50, Julien NICOLAS a écrit :
Hi Gavin, Pierre, Florient and Taher,
It's a good news that you all join the team :)
Other thanks to Adrian for informations !
Maybe the first step could be to create a setting which allow to
switch from old management to the new one because it seems to be
hard
to change the framework without breaking old css themes.
Another important point is to define a mock-up for the basic
navigation and apply it for easiest navigation. This will be
helpful
to work with the other points.
Taher, I think that it's a big task because we can find several
types
of screens (widget, ftl, form, etc.) and many technologies very
helpful but maybe it's time to unify the main software UI.
Even if we keep all technologies that make the software
flexibility,
it's important to be coherent in standard UI.
So I suggest this following steps :
1 - Create themes switch
2 - Submit several mock-up for the basic navigation (ask community
feeling)
3 - Implement basic navigation
4 - Mock-up for standard to unify standard UI (ask community
feeling)
5 - Screen widgets
6 - Form Widgets
7 - Styling
I think point 2 and 4 could be running during working on the
others
but we have to start to submit mock-ups to the community because
discussions could take a lot of time ;)
Julien.
Le 10/10/2014 11:49, Gavin Mabie a écrit :
Hi Julien
I'd like to join the team. I've done some work with bootstrap,
albeit on
ecommerce and front-end sites. For backend apps I believe that
the
task
should be approached systematically and that this could also be
an
opportunity to bed down some ui design principles - which could
captured in
the wiki - as a page on its own. The wiki already contains
information on
widgets (
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/
Understanding+the+OFBiz+Widget+Toolkit),
but nowhere does it recommend best practices for ui design. A
suggested
approach:
1. Start with screen widgets - the widget-screen.xsd will need
to be
revisited to align this with the Bootstrap CSS (grid-system
amongst
others);
2. Form widgets - revisit widget-form.xsd;
3. Menus and navigation - widget-menu.xsd;
4. Styling - customisation and theming.
What do you think?
Gavin
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Julien NICOLAS
<[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi,
I'm working on a basic bootstrap theme for OFBiz.
My goal is that OFBiz project uses bootstrap standard classes to
work.
I encountered some issues that I've fixed. The problem is that I
change
the framework and if I want to share my work with the
community, it
could
be better to do it in the best way.
I know that it's a task in the roadmap, so I hope somebody is
already
working on or waiting for team mate :)
I'm actually focused on :
- Portlet-widget structure
- KeywordSearchform
- Multi-menu management
Who can help me on this topic ?
Thanks by advanced,
Julien.
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