Hi Pierre I'm not sure where we're going with this discussion. My original input was to suggest that OAuth2 might not fit into the "special purpose" category and that it should rather be considered a tool/utility. As it transpires, there seems to be divergent opinions (at least between you and me) as to what "special purpose" in fact is. Frankly, this is a moot point with its relevance perhaps limited to how the project (Ofbiz) presents the system. The system is flexible enough for developers to place application components into folders as they wish. A developer might well decide to place manufacturing in the "special purpose" folder. Nothing wrong with that.
However ,the theme that emerges from this and other discussions on the topic is that the "special purpose" folder is at times viewed as a folder for miscellaneous. Miscellaneous in this instance includes components that are (a) not well supported in terms of committer contributions and (b) where there is a perceived better alternative in the open source market. My initial point was simply that we, from a project point of view, should have some clarity as to how we categorise components.There are references on the Ofbiz wiki to "special purpose" components as "process-or role-oriented <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Announcement+for+new+release+Apache+OFBiz+09.04.01>". There is also reference to the requirement that "special purpose" components should not be interdependent <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies>. I agree with both points, but I must add that to use it for "all-else" would not be well-founded/well thought-through. More directly to some of your specific questions: > But what is your answer ( your value proposition of OFBiz), when a > potential user comes to you and says: 'I want OFBiz for my manufacturing > setup and I don't want any excess'.? 1. Firstly,I would be elated that the customer "wants" Ofbiz in the first place. 2. Secondly, I would inquire as to why the customer only wants Ofbiz's manufacturing functionality? Responses to this question will undoubtedly be interesting - but its certainly an opportunity for up-selling the system as a whole. I don't define what the 'OFBiz Value Proposition' is. We all do that. And > what is it? What is yours? Shortly, OOTB Ofbiz's biggest value is that, as a business process management system, it provides an organisation with the software to manage business functions through an integrated set of applications built on robust open source technologies. Just my opinion. Hope I wasn't too long-winded. Gavin On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi All, Gavin, > > Starting a new thread. For the build up, see > > http://ofbiz.markmail.org/message/pf7lnzjwow4g4igj?q=passport+oauth2+order:date-forward > > Our current homepage states as the value proposition the following: > > Apache OFBiz™ is an open source product for the automation of enterprise > processes that includes framework components and business applications for > ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM (Customer Relationship Management), > E-Business / E-Commerce, SCM (Supply Chain Management), MRP (Manufacturing > Resource Planning), MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset > Management), POS (Point Of Sale). > > > That is the starting point of the value proposition, and it includes most > applications (but not all in special purpose). The webpage also states: > > Use it out-of-the-box, customize it or use it as a framework to implement > your most challenging business needs. > > > Meaning that it can be adjusted to be part of whatever your value > proposition is. > > Gavin, you asked what it would that value proposition is in the > hypothetical scenario of it being used in combination of everything coming > from third parties (see below). You should ask that the proponents of a > framework only solution. They are better at it, I surmise. > > But what is your answer ( your value proposition of OFBiz), when a > potential user comes to you and says: 'I want OFBiz for my manufacturing > setup and I don't want any excess'.? > > And I would suspect it to be: great, that is feasible, but when you > download it, you get, +humanres + ecommerce (and more) > > And what is when someone comes to you and told you: 'I want to do project > mgt, and I want it integrated with my fico and hr solutions. > > That answer would be: Excellent, but when you download it, you get that + > accounting + humanres + manufacturing + 3rd party payment integration > solutions + 3rd party shipment integration solutions + ecommerce (plus a > whole lot more) > > And then you'll probably say: but it can all be removed. So that potential > customer might, and probably will think: so if I don't want parts I don't > need, I am going to pay through the nose to get it removed. And if I leave > it in, who knows what it will do. > > Yes there are parts that a good value proposition can't do without > (framework components, some components in applications). The rest are just > layer on top of the base of the cake. Options that makes the OFBiz Value > Proposition the right one for any specific potential adopter. > > I don't define what the 'OFBiz Value Proposition' is. We all do that. And > what is it? What is yours? > > Best regards, > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Jacques Le Roux < > jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: > > > Le 22/03/2015 08:46, Gavin Mabie a écrit : > > > >> Hi Pierre > >> > >> If you use a 3rd party crm solution you wouldn't use the sfa > application. > >> > >>> If you use a 3rd party HRM solution, you wouldn't use humanres. > >>> > >> > >> Following this line of thinking, let's consider this ridiculous > >> hypothetical scenario: > >> > >> - 3rd Party Accounting App; > >> - 3rd Party HR; > >> - 3rd Party SFA; > >> - 3rd Party Catalog Management; > >> - 3rd Party CMS; > >> - etc > >> > >> What would be Ofbiz's Value Proposition in this case? There are core > >> applications that users expect to find in an ERP OOTB. > >> > > > > Good point Gavin :D > > > > Jacques > > > > >
