First of all thank you for TomEE, I love the philosophy behind it.

Actually I was forced to use an EE container due to recent incompatibilities
of SEAM3. I was no more able to get things done with Tomcat only....

On the one hand I'll gain a lot of advantages using EE but on the other hand
I feel quite confirmed that I ever tried to avoid the EE overhead. Let me
give you some examples:

- Startup-Time
  - Tomcat Seam2 Webapp: 25s
  - TomEE Seam3 Webapp 120s

- Jars needed (with webapp included)
  - Tomcat Seam2 Webapp: 40MB
  - TomEE Seam3 Webapp: 60MB

- Memory footprint? (I still have no facts)

Maybe you could optimize the resource consumption a bit more e.g. to
activate even more parts only when they are needed, ... . My first thought
after installing the first TomEE on a hosted server was where to get a more
powerful one....

I think you could catch a lot of Tomcat fans to come over if you would
really use every small possibility to reduce overhead.

Then you could even call it:

- "only use what you need" container
or
- Bikini container
or
- No-fat container
or
- Container 0%




Just one more thing: I didn't get the Tomcat shared classloader working. I
was used it to put my application jars in a separate lib folder to get
.war-files smaller. Deployment - especially remote - was a lot faster like
this...



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