On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 04:49, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> OFFTOPIC: I don't really like webpack-and-friends, it's output is often > unpredictable and hard to debug. > Additionally I have difficulties to set it up to do what I need > This is why I'm trying to find something that "just works" and produces no > damage :) > > Your offtopic sounds more like a rant :) > I would say "grumbling" :)) > webpack-and-friends, it's output is often unpredictable and hard to debug. > > > Additionally I have difficulties to set it up to do what I need > > => Actually I mostly used webpack just during development. Not when > productionising. During development you can use webpack to start a task > which enables you to reload the JS+HTML while in a page. E.g. in > OpenMeetings changing the HTML takes around 3minutes, cause you need to > restart the entire server + navigate back to where you were in a browser. > See: https://webpack.js.org/configuration/dev-server/ > > This greatly improves the development cycle, it cuts it down to seconds > what previously took minutes. > At my 5-7 years old laptop "unpacked" build tooks 7-9 minutes "quick" build tooks 01:01 minute not too much :))) the number can be lower, for whatever reason site is generated even if ` maven.site.skip` is passed :( > => Unfortunately it won't be possible to integrate this into OpenMeetings > for now. Because it won't work with Apache Wicket. > > It seems like you are putting all of those different tools and technologies > into 1 umbrella/basket. While it's more like each of those has Pro and > Cons. Some might be good for OpenMeetings, others maybe not. > Well, I always thought it is impossible to create a PWA out of a server side based web application Can you share PoC? > It has nothing to do with breaking things. None of those things should > break the application. Neither frontend nor backend technologies should > break the application or make it unstable. It has nothing to do with that. > > Thanks > Sebastian > > Sebastian Wagner > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5 > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings > < > https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url > > > < > https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url > > > > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 03:41, Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 03:41, [email protected] < > [email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The project is responsible for the 3rd party components/libraries it > > uses > > > > I try to check the license of JS components (but not their trees) > > > > > > Re license checking, we could explore using: > > > https://www.npmjs.com/package/license-checker > > > => to automate license checks. That might be quite useful, especially > > once > > > more dependencies are added. > > > > > > > +1 to add license check > > This can be separate maven profile (maybe event separate Jenkins job to > > save developer's time) > > > > > > > > > > Also other build/checks improvements: > > > Linting JS code - Also what would be good would be to add a linter: > > > https://www.npmjs.com/package/lint > > > => To automate checks for JS formatting. E.g. forgetting to replace > > > whitespaces with tabs :) A linter can help a lot. And it is very easy > to > > > set up. > > > > > > > I've set up my IDE (and using "show whitespaces" mode) > > but let's use "the robot" :) (I, personally, don't really like all those > > checkstyles, they do the job but not flexible enough :( ) > > > > > > > Bundling/minify CSS and add linter using NPM: various NPM plugins > > available > > > to do it, eg https://www.npmjs.com/package/css-loader > > > => NPM can also be used to bundle the CSS files > > > > > > > we had an option to minify CSS files > > But to be fair it is very much useless > > And the one we were using also did break CSS units > > > > > > > => This has also the advantage that you can use the linter to make sure > > CSS > > > formatting is good > > > => This also has the advantage that you can use further clever ways to > > > optimise the CSS (https://sass-lang.com/) > > > > > > > OFFTOPIC: I don't really like webpack-and-friends, it's output is often > > unpredictable and hard to debug. > > Additionally I have difficulties to set it up to do what I need > > This is why I'm trying to find something that "just works" and produces > no > > damage :) > > > > > > > this might be dangerous since we have no frontend tests :( > > > > > > => We should be able to add JavaScript unit tests using Jest: > > > https://jestjs.io/ > > > => And integrate + automate it into our NPM build process > > > https://www.npmjs.com/package/jest > > > > > > > > I saw some tests in other projects, but have no experience in the topic > :( > > > > > > > If I'm not mistaken there was discussion > > > > Will try to search archives (no ETA unfortunately :(( ) > > > > > > => Let's maybe fix a few of the above and then we can contact @infra. > At > > > the moment I think there is a few things we can do without ASF support > > > > > > Thanks > > > Seb > > > > > > Sebastian Wagner > > > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com > > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ > > > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5 > > > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings > > > < > > > > > > https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url > > > > > > > < > > > > > > https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 05:30, Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > (moving to dev@) > > > > > > > > On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 at 03:59, [email protected] < > > > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > In the long run I am interested in how NPM fits with the Apache > > > > Foundation. > > > > > But maybe that is something to raise with @legal and @infra: > > > > > - Current vetting of licenses is based heavily on maven (e.g. > > > > maven-rat), > > > > > how will that translate into NPM? > > > > > > > > > > > > > The project is responsible for the 3rd party components/libraries it > > uses > > > > I try to check the license of JS components (but not their trees) > > > > > > > > - NPM ecosystem is considered a lot more volatile than Maven. A lot > > more > > > > > changes in a shorter period of time. Would probably mean even > tighter > > > > > governance on making sure licensing is considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are (semi)manually updating versions > > > > this might be dangerous since we have no frontend tests :( > > > > > > > > - Same for managing dependencies: ASF has a Maven repo, but no NPM > > > > > repo/mirror. Are there any plans at ASF to establish a NPM mirror, > or > > > are > > > > > we proposing npmjs is what projects should use and publish to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I'm not mistaken there was discussion > > > > Will try to search archives (no ETA unfortunately :(( ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is actually an Incubating project that is purely publishing > > > > themself > > > > > as NPM module: > > > > > https://annotator.apache.org/docs/ > > > > > as well as > > > > > https://cordova.apache.org/ publishes NPM packages > > > > > as well as > > > > > https://apache.github.io/royale-docs/get-started/royale-cli > > > > > > > > > > So we are not the very first project using it. But I expect more > > > projects > > > > > in the future. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Seb > > > > > > > > > > Sebastian Wagner > > > > > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com > > > > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ > > > > > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5 > > > > > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best regards, > > > > Maxim > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Maxim > > > -- Best regards, Maxim
