before I begin: -please take into account possible linguistic inaccuracies, my english is not the best -please understand that at the moment I do _not_ want to discuss basic things (or new solutions), I respect in the presence the existing decisions of the Community
on Friday, May 02, 2014 11:26 PM Andrea Pescetti wrote: > What requirements do you mean? Is there anything we can do better? I think there is a problem and that is AOO the first Apache software project is primarily intended for end users, not to experts. Between a software like the Apache web server and AOO this respect, there is a big difference. What is the concrete 'problem'? Specialists and experts have no problems with international structures, especially not with English as the project language, but for many end users is to difficult. They do not understand structures, they can not communicate in English and therefore they remain in distance to the project. What could be the solution, especially if one looks at the experience with OpenOffice.org? I think we need another real local communities as part of the international community. This is not an easy topic that is not an issue we can resolve quickly here, but it is an important issue which we need to clarify in the next few years. Yes, I mean "years", because it will take so long because many things must be discussed with care. > "Local" is not only better than nothing, it is vital! Yes, thank you, at this point we are in total agreement. > I don't get the "directly". OpenOffice is marketed by > its users, by its volunteers. It's simple, "directly" is the AOO project, and no, marketing is not made by users. (because not all users simultaneously project volunteers are) Not "directly" is also 8for example) the marketing from the PrOOo-box, because although only OO community members collaborate applies the PrOOo box formally as 'third party', ie not belonging directly to the project. > The > fact that we > have an international marketing list does not mean that we only admit > centrally organized marketing activities. This is clear for me, but there is also a practical side: in not a few cases, we have to decide whether we approve of local activities, even if they are not coordinated internationally, or whether we do without it. English To many falls very heavy, so many local helper does not want to help if we make the to international coordination. A few weeks ago we had on the German mailing list, a discussion in which, for example, Jürgen meant a FAQ website must always also primarily in the project language (English) exist. I understand this desire , but if we are guided by generally because we lose potential accomplices , namely those which, although would be willing to create a German -language FAQ, but not simultaneous are willing to make an English translation of this FAQ . Another example is that we do not have a German-language forum, and currently no people who want to do it. There are, however, for more than 10 years, the outstanding German Forum http://de.openoffice.info. Would not it be pragmatically useful if we the users completely equal recommend this Forum? If I point to such problems often I get just a shrug. > The international marketing exists to help local activities, > not to kill > them: if you need a presentation about OpenOffice to translate in > German, or if you need someone to design materials that you want to > print and distribute, the marketing list is at your service. > The project > can even pay for marketing materials, so feel free to ask. Yes, that is clear. Even I know that, and Detlef is currently in the process to make a request, but let me say the following: Is Apache clear how much money is involved here? It's not just about money for flyers or similar materials, but also for technical equipment or sometimes money for travel expenses. I myself volunteer worked in the German OOo-community more than 7 years (I mean OpenOffice_.org_ in this case) and I know quite accurately the former costs for marketing in Germany, those were _one year_ significantly above 10,000.00 Euros (approximately U.S. $ 13,750.00 at today's exchange rate), only for running costs. And this money means only the money which has itself collected the German OOo-community, and not money from SUN or Oracle. I write this not because we currently need so much money, but I write it to generally designate how big the financial needs when AOO similar successfully developed as OOo earlier. And because we can estimate this, it is time to look for ways like this is to ensure in the future. Greetings, Jörg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
