Hi Frank,
Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany wrote:
Hi Sophie,
As I understand it, not every body will want to use Base (HSQLDB
integration) but still want to access their external database (like
MySQL/SQLite/etc.) without using Base (the database environment).
Am I right in using the same word ?
Ehm, well. Terminology is in fact not clear here.
Well I agree with you and I feel that clearing it will help users to
address what they would like :)
There are at least three things:
- "Base" is the application, that is, at least the UI for editing
database documents (no matter whether they connect to "external" or
"internal" databases)
- HSQLDB is the engine used when the user asks "Base" to create
a self-contained database document.
- There's quite some database-related functionality in the other
applications. See the "Future Tasks" section in the specification
I linked to, to get an idea - it's really more one would expect in the
first run :)
Whether this particular functionality is part of "Base" or not is
debatable. For the data source browser, we decided it *is*.
Ok I understand it.
The problem with the "optional Base" feature (which closed in on very
short notice only) is that it's in no way clear what a user expects if
she disables "Base" in the setup.
What should be gone then? The application UI? The integrated engine? The
integration into other application? The integration into Writer only, or
into Calc only?
Well, from the feedback I had (from only one community I agree) is the
fact they have to deal any time with Base (the application) when they
have to edit a db or do a mailing, etc. is time consuming.
Caring for *all* potential needs here requires much more fine-grained
control during setup than the current "Base on/off" option. As you can
see in the "Future tasks" capter, we're at least aware of this :).
yes, I understand how difficult it could be :)
Imho, I think that most of the new OOo users will evaluate Base (and
it's 3 meanings) as the tool that deals with database, like Writer deals
with texts.
But previous users currently see it as the tool that deals with the self
contained database document and really miss the F4 functionalities. It's
quicker to do a mailing without the wizard, it's quicker to edit a dBase
file without opening the Base application.
Am I right or do I miss something or will it be possible in the future ?
No, you're right, there are different use cases, while the current
option addresses only one (namely installations where the users should
not be able to create/modify database documents of any kind, but only
use the ones provided by other parties, and still should have all
application-integration).
ok
*Whether* and *When* the other use cases will be addressed is not clear
(to me) at the moment. It probably depends on how many users/customers
think it's necessary :)
Of course :) ok, so let us bring you a large feedback on this ;)
Thanks for your answer
Kind regards
Sophie
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