Michael Meeks wrote:

>       So - since you want to kill the thread, lets try to do that; but first
> I must address this:

I don't want to kill the thread - I'm not even empowered to do that. :-)
Please see at the end of the mail what I wanted to see stopped.

>       Unfortunately, reading back, it looks as if: before Martin checked with
> the lawyers and confirmed that you did not have such a relationship
> (thanks Martin), you argument was framed only in defense of Sun's right
> to re-license our code under any terms :-)
> 
>       It's good to see the principle laid out clearly: that Sun will not deal
> with Butler-alikes, that it would be ridiculous to do so & I welcome
> that & couldn't agree more.

As you brought me in context I must add something here. I can't speak
for Sun in a legal meaning - so can't Martin. That's the reason why he
checked back with Sun Legal, just to be able to give a definitive answer
(as this was asked for).

I didn't say that I don't believe that Sun would relicence the code
under any terms. Of course that is possible in the same way as Novell
does with Mono. And Sun does mention that on the SCA FAQ page as I
quoted in one of my mails. So does Novell on the Mono contribution page.

I absolutely understand if people take this fact as a reason not to
contribute. For me that wouldn't be a problem. If a company gave me the
opportunity to get some useful open source software and adjust it to my
needs I would gladly accept that wonderful opportunity and contribute my
code back. That would be my "thank you" for the huge amount of work that
the company already had invested and that gives me a benefit.
Unfortunately I'm not interested enough in e.g. Mono to proove that ;-),
so you must take my word for it. I hope that is enough. Of course, as
always, YMMV. Or better: we know that your mileage varies. You told it
to us all too often to overlook that.

Insinuating a participation of Sun in the case of "Butler office" really
is ridiculous. *That* is the stupid part of the thread I would like to
see stopped. The rest might still be boring, as it presents the same
arguments we heard days, weeks or months ago (and probably we will also
hear days, weeks and months later), but that's life.

Ciao,
Mathias

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Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer
OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS
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