Sandor, On 03/05/2014 04:11 PM, Sandor Seres wrote: > I am afraid I am irritating you folks with my focus on errors in the OSM > source data.
I think the reason for there being little echo to your message(s) is not so much the content but the style of the message(s). They are 1. too long 2. contain links to Google Documents 3. which are even longer 4. AND SOMETIMES THE SUBJECTS ARE IN CAPITAL LETTERS. Generally, your messages sound a bit like: "Hey! People! Stop! Don't you see you're DOING IT WRONG! I have found that you are making SYSTEMATIC ERRORS!!!!" But we all know that already. The reason why we're not overly concerned is: * for every new error introduced, we get a couple hundred features without errors, so the ratio is still good. * we have much worse problems than islands in lakes or so. * you are also, I believe, misusing the term "systematic". In my mapping, I haven't introduced any of the errors that you mention. If the error were systematic then surely it would affect everyone's mapping, no? >From this, in my opinion, ill-analyzed and over-exaggerated problem you jump to the conclusion that repairing these issues in editors does not work here (which seems to be your reason for not starting). But in fact we have a couple of mechanisms to cope with such issues - e.g. KeepRight or the OSM Inspector will highlight a number of common problems and make it easier for people to fix them, or newer-generation tools like MapRoulette or Kort which lend a gaming aspect to these tasks. But it seems that you don't even know about any of these which makes your analysis look relatively weak. At the end of your document you recommend to move the focus from fixing these to preventing them, which is not a bad idea; surely you have studied the JOSM editor's validator, and a comparable component present in the online iD editor, and had a look at which types of problems it already highlights when uploading? I am sure there is a lot that could be done to reduce the amount of errors that people make, or the detect these and make them visible so they can be fixed. It is, however, not enough to write: "I think something should be done about this."; it is better to write: "I would like to help coding X, where should I start, whom should I talk to?" Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [email protected] ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" _______________________________________________ dev mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
