There is no need to create those dependent CreationalContexts. This only 
introduces a lot complexity without providing additional functionality imo.

LieGrue,
strub

--- Gurkan Erdogdu <[email protected]> schrieb am Mi, 24.3.2010:

> Von: Gurkan Erdogdu <[email protected]>
> Betreff: Re: AW: Rational Behind Current Interceptor/Decorator  
> Handling/Creational Context
> An: [email protected]
> Datum: Mittwoch, 24. März, 2010 13:47 Uhr
> We put all normal bean dependent
> instances into its creational context. Just we create extra
> creational context for dependent beans. look at my later
> email.
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Mark Struberg <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 2:34:00 PM
> Subject: Re: AW: Rational Behind Current
> Interceptor/Decorator  Handling/Creational Context
> 
> Very good example!
> 
> Assumed that a,b,c are all @Dependent, the spec defines
> that all 3 intances MUST be hold in the SAME
> CreationalContext!
> 
> LieGrue,
> strub
> 
> --- Gurkan Erdogdu <[email protected]>
> schrieb am Mi, 24.3.2010:
> 
> > Von: Gurkan Erdogdu <[email protected]>
> > Betreff: Re: AW: Rational Behind Current
> Interceptor/Decorator  Handling/Creational Context
> > An: [email protected]
> > Datum: Mittwoch, 24. März, 2010 13:26 Uhr
> > There is
> > 
> > a --> b --> c 
> > 
> > a...@inject b}
> > b...@inject c}
> > c{ @Inject a}
> > 
> > c uses b's creational context and b uses a's
> creational
> > context for injecting a .
> > 
> > 
> > Look at  BeanManagerImpl#
> getInjectableReference.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > From: Mark Struberg <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 2:10:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: AW: Rational Behind Current
> > Interceptor/Decorator  Handling/Creational
> Context
> > 
> > Gurkan, the point is that there is no rational behind
> > having an OwnerCreationalContext! 
> > 
> > So please stay on the topic.
> > 
> > LieGrue,
> > strub
> > 
> > --- Gurkan Erdogdu <[email protected]>
> > schrieb am Mi, 24.3.2010:
> > 
> > > Von: Gurkan Erdogdu <[email protected]>
> > > Betreff: Re: AW: Rational Behind Current
> > Interceptor/Decorator  Handling/Creational
> Context
> > > An: [email protected]
> > > Datum: Mittwoch, 24. März, 2010 12:18 Uhr
> > > Not everything must be on the
> > > specification!
> > > 
> > > 2010/3/24 Mark Struberg <[email protected]>
> > > 
> > > > Txs Gurkan.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry to discuss so long about such small
> parts,
> > but
> > > in my opinion, we
> > > > should first really get the same
> understanding,
> > and
> > > then the changes will be
> > > > obvious.
> > > >
> > > > On topic:
> > > >
> > > > I understand the need to keep track of
> 'chaining
> > > dependencies'.
> > > >
> > > > But there are no such things like chaining
> > > dependencies based on _other_
> > > > CreationalContexts in the spec!
> > > >
> > > > Imo, either a contextual instance is created
> in
> > the
> > > same CreationalContext
> > > > as another one (a) or it should get it's
> own
> > > CreationalContext (b).
> > > >
> > > > For (a) the 'chaining dependencies' should
> get
> > stored
> > > in form of a tree.
> > > > I'm completely d' accord with you in this
> point,
> > but I
> > > think we can
> > > > completely drop the 'OwnerCreationalContext
> > thingy'.
> > > There is no such thing,
> > > > they all belong to the same
> CreationalContext.
> > > >
> > > > wdyt?
> > > >
> > > > LieGrue,
> > > > strub
> > > >
> > > > --- Gurkan Erdogdu <[email protected]>
> > > schrieb am Mi, 24.3.2010:
> > > >
> > > > > Von: Gurkan Erdogdu <[email protected]>
> > > > > Betreff: Re: AW: Rational Behind
> Current
> > > Interceptor/Decorator
> > > > Handling/Creational Context
> > > > > An: [email protected]
> > > > > Datum: Mittwoch, 24. März, 2010 08:03
> Uhr
> > > > > >>>Is this a leftover from
> > > > > an old period? Or is there some logic
> > behind
> > > which is well
> > > > > hidden from me?
> > > > > I have explained it lots of time,
> please
> > look at
> > > old emails
> > > > > about this :) It is used for getting
> > chaining
> > > dependencies.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --Gurkan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: Mark Struberg <[email protected]>
> > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 10:13:32 PM
> > > > > Subject: AW: Rational Behind Current
> > > Interceptor/Decorator
> > > > > Handling/Creational Context
> > > > >
> > > > > I understand what the CreationalContext
> is
> > for in
> > > the spec,
> > > > > but I'm currently hunting for
> explanations
> > for
> > > some helper
> > > > > constructs like e.g. the
> > > DependentCreationalContext.
> > > > >
> > > > > Either a dependent object is created in
> the
> > same
> > > > > CreationalContext or not, but we
> currently
> > are
> > > forced to
> > > > > create new 'dummy' CreationalContexts
> only
> > to add
> > > a
> > > > > dependent contextual instance to the
> > already
> > > existing
> > > > > CreationalContext of the bean it
> depends on.
> > That
> > > looks
> > > > > weird to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is this a leftover from an old period?
> Or
> > is
> > > there some
> > > > > logic behind which is well hidden from
> me?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > txs and LieGrue,
> > > > > strub
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Gurkan Erdogdu <[email protected]>
> > > > > schrieb am Di, 23.3.2010:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Von: Gurkan Erdogdu <[email protected]>
> > > > > > Betreff: Rational Behind Current
> > > Interceptor/Decorator
> > > > > Handling/Creational Context
> > > > > > An: [email protected]
> > > > > > Datum: Dienstag, 23. März, 2010
> 20:53
> > Uhr
> > > > > > Hello;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Subject is a little long :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would like to explain some of
> the
> > design
> > > rational
> > > > > of
> > > > > > current code in regard to using
> > > CreationalContext and
> > > > > > handling of
> Decroators/Interceptors.
> > > Creational
> > > > > context is
> > > > > > implemented by the
> > CreationalContextImpl and
> > > is used
> > > > > for
> > > > > > saving dependent instances of the
> > > NormalScoped beans,
> > > > > i.e
> > > > > > saving dependent bean instance,
> > decorstors,
> > > > > interceptors,
> > > > > > ejb interceptors etc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In first creation of the normal
> scoped
> > bean
> > > instance,
> > > > > it is
> > > > > > created and saved in the
> > AbstractContext.
> > > After that
> > > > > all of
> > > > > > its dependents are getting from
> this
> > > cretional
> > > > > context.
> > > > > >
> NormalScopedBeansInterceptorHandler
> > uses
> > > this semantic
> > > > > to
> > > > > > get its creational context and
> setup
> > > decorators and
> > > > > > interceptors.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Moreover, decorators and
> interceptors
> > of the
> > > bean
> > > > > instance
> > > > > > is setup only once and saved in
> > creational
> > > context
> > > > > .After
> > > > > > destroying bean contexts, bean's
> > cretional
> > > contexts
> > > > > are
> > > > > > destroyed by the container.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Therefore, current code base is
> hugely
> > > dependent on
> > > > > usage
> > > > > > of CreationalContextImpl class.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Currently, we pass all of the
> > standalone
> > > tests(some
> > > > > issues
> > > > > > have written to CDI TCK jira) and
> huge
> > part
> > > of the
> > > > > web
> > > > > > profile tests. Before changing
> > critical
> > > parts of the
> > > > > > codebase, please run TCK before
> > committing
> > > them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But it always needs another eye to
> find
> > out
> > > more
> > > > > elegant
> > > > > > solution. But we have really
> arrived in
> > a
> > > good point
> > > > > and
> > > > > > care must be taken to not broke
> the
> > running
> > > code :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Gurkan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
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