Also wanted to say that the title I used for this email thread was probably
not the best for clarity, but
when I was talking about release I was conveying the process of publishing
a milestone to maven
nexus repo and not a formal ASF release. Nothing I am mentioning is
pertaining to an actual ASF
release, rather something like a more permanent snapshot (which
aren't formal ASF releases hence
why they don't need votes).

On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 9:18 AM Matthew de Detrich <
matthew.dedetr...@aiven.io> wrote:

> > It’s not allowed. See what a release is [1] "anything that is published
> beyond the group that owns it” and [2] "Each PMC MUST obey the ASF
> requirements on approving any release.” and also [3] "Projects MUST direct
> outsiders towards official releases rather than raw source repositories,
> nightly builds, snapshots, release candidates, or any other similar
> packages."
>
> We are talking about milestones, not release and none of the references
> answer this question directly. Or put differently, if we take the
> references you provided at face value then snapshots as every almost every
> relevant Apache project uses them would be illegal because they are not
> voted on but they still use the org.apache.pekko maven organization
> namespace.
>
> The critical part here is not the voting, it's whether we are allowed to
> publish **non**-release milestones inside of Apache Nexus.
>
> > I should also say this process exists to give you legal protection and
> so that each release is an act of the foundation. IANAL, but doing things
> outside this process could open you (or your employers) to legal risk.
>
> Again this is not a release, it's more of a snapshot. Snapshots are not
> voted on, yet they are still deployed to Apache's Snapshot Nexus repository
> and use the org.apache.pekko Maven organization.
>
> Is there official documentation/process that describes this distinction?
>
> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 3:04 AM Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> > Doing binary M0/M1 releases to Maven Central without a proper vote
>> > would not be allowed under my understanding but it can be raised with
>> > the Incubator PMC.
>>
>> It’s not allowed. See what a release is [1] "anything that is published
>> beyond the group that owns it” and [2] "Each PMC MUST obey the ASF
>> requirements on approving any release.” and also [3] "Projects MUST direct
>> outsiders towards official releases rather than raw source repositories,
>> nightly builds, snapshots, release candidates, or any other similar
>> packages."
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Justin
>>
>> 1. https://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#release-definition
>> 2. https://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#release-approval
>> 3. https://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#publication
>>
>>
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