On Thu, 17 May 2001, brian moseley wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2001, brian moseley wrote:
>
> > i think "application server" describes a system that
> > does more than implementing a templating language.
>
> er, that's not to diss anybody's software. everything on
> that short list is great stuff. but i stand behind my
> assertion. a (web) application server has more than
> presentation layer functionality. it is a complete
> application deployment environment. it's the same argument
> that matt makes for axkit not being a content management
> system but rather a building block for a cms. mason and
> axkit could be vital components of an application server,
> but it's false to label them as such themselves. i can't
> speak to embperl or the other things on the list, cos i'm
> not familiar with them.
>
> check out enhydra enterprise
> (http://enterprise.enhydra.org/). it has services for
> logging, naming, distributed objects, session management
> (through ejb), database access, transaction management,
> presentation (jsp), application control (servlets),
> management, authentication, authorization. all of these apis
> are immediately available to application developers and
> deployers in a consistent integrated fashion. this is not
> "download 18 different components from cpan and mash them
> all together" kind of setup. you can unjar the damn thing,
> run a config script, and it's ready to run apps. there are
> unified documentation and extensive sample applications.
The reason you need that though is Java *has* no CPAN. Want distributed
objects, install CORBA::ORBit. Want database access, install DBI. Want
auth*, go to Apache directory on CPAN and make your choice.
IMHO, Apache *is* the unifying API for all of these things. And
so I think we're fully justified in calling these things application
servers.
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