What I'm seeing here is that this approach appears to support styling specified through element attributes only, i.e. styling of the form

<Duh styles="dsfsdf"/>

One of the nice things about CSS is its support for other kinds of selectors like type selectors, class selectors, id selectors, descendant selectors, etc. Then there's inheritence and cascading, which I haven't touched yet. It seems like defining the syntax and behavior for these kinds of features within the current or proposed JSON-oriented syntax would simultaneously stray from the simplicity of JSON while creating more proprietary syntax.

I don't see an impedance mismatch between CSS and WTKX (or BXML as it is in pivot 2). There are some bridges to build because each has defined some similar concepts in sightly different ways. I wrote code to support CSS's approach to font and padding specifications, but that's just a matter of syntax---the underlying models are the same. My experience from using what I've built thus far is that a CSS syntax works quite well. I will continue to update the list as my experience grows and as I implement new features.

Cheers,

Michael

On Sat, 10 Jul 2010, Greg Brown wrote:

With all the thoughts going on around styling (people have implemented CSS-like 
styling and WPF-like styling/triggers), what is the pivot core team's thoughts 
on 2.0 and what the objectives are?

My primary objectives for improving styling support in Pivot 2.0 included 
making it easier to apply externally defined styles and possibly supporting 
dynamic, automatic updates to those styles. Both of these objectives have now 
been met. In addition to the previous means for applying styles:

 Programmatically:
 myComponent.getStyles().put("color", "#ffffff");

 Declaratively via attribute value:
 <Label styles="{color:'#ffffff'}"/>

 Declaratively via external file:
 <Label styles="@label_styles.json"/>

 Declaratively via XML element:
 <Label>
   <styles color="#ffffff"/>
 </Label>

Pivot 2.0 now includes support for defining styles using an external JSON-based 
stylesheet:

 <bxml:include bxml:id="myStyles" src="my_styles.json"/>
 <Label styles="$myStyles.labelStyles"/>

It would also be possible define external styles using CSS syntax, if someone 
is interested in writing a parser for it:

 <bxml:include bxml:id="myStyles" src="my_styles.css"/>

As I mentioned earlier, this would basically amount to reading the CSS data 
into the same data structure that is output by the JSON serializer.

Additionally, using namespace binding, dynamic style changes can now be 
automatically applied:

 <Label>
   <styles color="${myStyles.labelStyles.color}"/>
 </Label>

Whenever the "myStyles.labelStyles.color" value changes, the label's color will 
automatically change to reflect the new value (as will any other styles or properties bound to that 
value). This is demonstrated by the following example (selecting a value from the color picker 
automatically updates the associated label's text as well as its "color" style):

 http://ixnay.biz/pivot-demos/namespace-binding.html

The work Michael has been doing is interesting, though I still think there is an 
"impedance mismatch" between the actual CSS specification and how styles work 
in Pivot. I would personally rather see some effort focused on writing a CSS serializer 
that works within the existing styling framework, as described above.

We've seen that we can implement advanced styling approaches (and more) without 
changing core pivot at all, but what does this add up to? It seems that alot of 
this work is really about easier theming and L&F customization.

Yup, that is exactly what it is about. It simply aims to make it a bit easier for 
designers to apply their own L&F customizations to a Pivot app.


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