Actually, if you read the entire JavaFX roadmap, it seems like HTML 5 support may be less necessary when JavaFX 2 is released. Apparently one of the items on the roadmap is to deliver an "AWT-less" plugin that will improve both plugin speed and stability. Assuming that Prism is available to JavaSE applications, we'd probably be better off wrapping (or simply migrating to) that API.
On Sep 21, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Greg Brown wrote: > The main problem with that approach is that the <canvas> tag just isn't > robust enough to handle our rendering needs. If we went that route, we'd > probably be better off creating a theme that is backed by native HTML widgets > (like the SWT approach I suggested the other day). We could probably come up > with some way to implement decorators on top of that (maybe via a canvas tag > that spans the entire display). > > On Sep 21, 2010, at 1:48 PM, Todd Volkert wrote: > >> Are they copying us? :-) >> >> I think it might argue stronger for the abstraction of the graphics >> layer, since that may eventually allow us to run directly in the >> browser through the use of something akin to the GWT compiler. >> >> -T >> >> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Greg Brown <[email protected]> wrote: >>> So yes, it seems like we have been on the right track. But we already knew >>> that. :-) >>> >>> I didn't see anything in that article to imply that Prism wouldn't be made >>> available to Java SE. Did I miss something? >>> >>> But here is my concern: Pivot's biggest advantages over JavaFX to date have >>> been: >>> >>> a) You can write Pivot applications in Java or any other JVM language (you >>> are not limited to JavaFX Script). >>> >>> b) It is completely open source. >>> >>> It sounds like neither of these will apply when JavaFX 2.0 is released next >>> year, and it seems clear that JavaFX will have access to the new Prism >>> APIs, while Pivot may not. Also (from http://javafx.com/roadmap/#3): >>> >>> - "The JavaFX APIs will be a variation on typical JavaBeans properties and >>> listeners" >>> >>> - "For JavaFX 2.0, Oracle will release an ObservableList interface, which >>> extends the java.util.List interface...Oracle will also release an >>> ObservableMap interface and implementation for adding listeners (or binding >>> to) instances of ObservableMap." >>> >>> Basically, it sounds like they are planning to turn JavaFX into something >>> very Pivot-like. So, how will Pivot 2.0 ultimately differentiate itself >>> from JavaFX 2.0? >>> >>> I'm not sure we can even attempt to answer that question yet, since we >>> don't know how successful Oracle will be (will they release on time, will >>> developers be interested, etc.). But it is certainly enough to make me >>> wonder what our next steps should be. >>> >>> G >>> >>> >>> On Sep 21, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Sandro Martini wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi to all, >>>> someone has already seen this: >>>> http://java.dzone.com/articles/oracle-discontinue-javafx >>>> on the future JavaFX 2.0 ? >>>> >>>> More in detail, this: >>>>> This will also make JavaFX resemble Apache Pivot in a few more ways. >>>> Reading this type of things I've the confirm that we were/are on the right >>>> side !! >>>> >>>> What do you think ? >>>> >>>> >>>> The real problem that I see (in the med/long term) is that Oracle is >>>> rewriting the graphics pipeline, but seems that it will NOT be released as >>>> part of Java SE ... too bad in my opinion. >>>> Some info here: >>>> http://marxsoftware.blogspot.com/2010/09/javaone-2010-opening-keynote.html >>>> and an extract: >>>>> The "high-performance graphics engine" called Prism (and used with JavaFX >>>>> and discussed at last year's JavaOne) will be made available. It renders >>>>> 2D objects today, but will eventually support 3D objects. It will support >>>>> new hardware Accelerated 2D and 3D Graphics Pipeline. This will be made >>>>> available in open source via NetBeans. >>>> >>>> >>>> So probably for future releases of Pivot maybe we should think on a >>>> (alternative ?) way to use that new pipeline, or at least to start with an >>>> our OpenGL backed pipeline ... let's see in the future. >>>> >>>> >>>> Bye, >>>> Sandro >>>> >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: >>>> http://apache-pivot-developers.417237.n3.nabble.com/Announcement-for-the-future-JavaFX-2-0-tp1535160p1535160.html >>>> Sent from the Apache Pivot - Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> >
