Hi,

That works for me.
In terms of the release process, I think it would be easier:
1. To maintain the "aggregate" index on dist dev (
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/polaris/helm-chart/index.yaml),
with the latest release using downloads.apache.org and all previous
releases using archive.apache.org
2. When we stage a new release (for vote), we update the index on dist dev
3. When we "promote" the release, we copy the index from dist dev to dist
release (
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/polaris/helm-chart/index.yaml
)
With this approach, we will review and release artifacts (includes index)
that we publish.

Just my $0.01

Regards
JB

On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 10:19 AM Alexandre Dutra <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I think that the workflow suggested by Dmitri is the best in terms of UX.
>
> As for fixing the current state of things, what Pierre suggested seems
> like a quick win: regenerate an index that spans the two servers and
> publish it to dist
> release so that it replaces the one on download.a.o.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 7:02 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > We can argue that the index file is similar to the KEYS file and not
> > strictly part of the release.
> >
> > Theoretically, every artifact we publish should be voted on and remain
> > unchanged after the vote. This is why I suggested updating the aggregated
> > index as part of the release currently under review.
> >
> > I believe this approach should work.
> >
> > Regards,
> > JB
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 6:58 PM Pierre Laporte <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Robert for opening this thread.
> > >
> > > Regarding attaching the binary artifacts to GitHub releases, here is
> some
> > > good news: it is already the case :-).  You can see that the source,
> binary
> > > tarballs as well as helm chart are attached to the 1.3.0 Github Release
> > > [1].  That being said the file names are not great, let me open an
> issue
> > > for that.
> > >
> > > As for creating a Helm index that references charts across
> downloads.a.o
> > > and archive.a.o, I think it should be fairly easy to do.  It can
> certainly
> > > be included as part of the release automation.
> > >
> > > For me the big question is: can we fix the user-facing issue asap?  As
> far
> > > as I can tell, we could either:
> > > * Restore the previous binaries in dist release by performing a couple
> of
> > > `svn revert` commands
> > > * Regenerate an index that spans the two servers and publish it to dist
> > > release so that it replaces the one on download.a.o
> > >
> > > JB, would it be possible to publish the index.yaml file to dist/release
> > > without requiring voting on dev and on the incubator?  Technically, the
> > > file that is on dist release has been generated after the incubator
> vote
> > > was closed.  So I think we could argue it is not part of any specific
> > > release.  Wdyt?
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/polaris/releases/tag/apache-polaris-1.3.0-incubating
> > > --
> > >
> > > Pierre
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 5:28 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > index is already on downloads.apache.org (
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/polaris/helm-chart/index.yaml
> > > > , dist is basically the "driver" of downloads.apache.org).
> > > >
> > > > I see only two possible options:
> > > > - we don't provide the Helm index (it's what Airflow is doing
> afair), but
> > > > the user experience is not great (helm repo add would not work "out
> of
> > > the
> > > > box")
> > > > - we create aggregate Helm index when staging a release, and so we
> keep
> > > the
> > > > index up to date, to be updated on downloads/dist release
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > JB
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 5:23 PM Dmitri Bourlatchkov <
> [email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks for opening this discussion, Robert! It definitely looks
> like we
> > > > can
> > > > > improve helm UX.
> > > > >
> > > > > All:
> > > > >
> > > > > WDYT about hosting helm index for all supported releases on
> > > > > downloads.apache.org (as before), but moving old charts to the
> > > archive?
> > > > >
> > > > > When a new RC comes out it will have helm index updates according
> to
> > > what
> > > > > version is the latest at the time of release and some links
> > > (re-)pointing
> > > > > to the archive. When the RC is approved, its helm index will simply
> > > > replace
> > > > > the old one on downloads.apache.org.
> > > > >
> > > > > The archive site will _not_ have a helm index, only chart tar
> files,
> > > > > signatures, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Link changes should not be a problem for automated tools, I hope.
> > > > >
> > > > > The helm index will be truncated as the community decides to
> > > "unsupport"
> > > > > old releases (with proper release note notifications, etc.).
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Dmitri.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 6:43 AM Robert Stupp <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The issue #3500 mentions an issue with (perma)links to Helm
> charts to
> > > > > > downloads.a.o. Once a new release is published, the previously
> > > working
> > > > > link
> > > > > > will no longer work, as old releases, although available on
> > > archive.a.o
> > > > > get
> > > > > > removed from downloads.a.o. That's just how it works.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For helm charts referenced by their URL and potential
> user-automation
> > > > to
> > > > > > grab other binary artifacts, a new release kind-of "suddenly"
> breaks
> > > > user
> > > > > > environments/workflows.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you guys think about the following?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We can attach the binary artifacts to GitHub releases and/or
> publish
> > > > > those
> > > > > > to Maven Central - and adjust the documented download links to
> either
> > > > of
> > > > > > these locations?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the Helm charts, the situation is a bit more complex,
> because of
> > > > the
> > > > > > index.yaml. While it is correct on downloads.a.o [1], the one on
> > > > > > archive.a.o [2] is missing older releases. But since the content
> of
> > > > > > archive.a.o is taken from downloads.a.o, there's not much we can
> do
> > > > about
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > > An option could be to have an index.yaml elsewhere, potentially
> on a
> > > > > > separate web site like https://polaris-charts.apache.org/ that
> only
> > > > > > contains an ever-growing index.yaml file, which is updated
> during a
> > > > > release
> > > > > > publication using 'helm repo index . --merge index.yaml --url
> ...',
> > > > where
> > > > > > that URL points to the helm package, which can be a GitHub
> release
> > > > > artifact
> > > > > > or some other location.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Robert
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [3500] https://github.com/apache/polaris/issues/3500
> > > > > > [1]
> > > > https://downloads.apache.org/incubator/polaris/helm-chart/index.yaml
> > > > > > [2]
> > > > > >
> > > >
> https://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/polaris/helm-chart/index.yaml
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>

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