Hi Srinivas,

Just to sync up, at this stage is the idea to start reviewing PR [3923]?

I posted some preliminary comments there.

[3923] https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/3923

Thanks,
Dmitri.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2026 at 1:25 PM Srinivas Rishindra <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have created a draft pull request to share the progress on this feature
> and gather early feedback:
> https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/3923/changes .
>
> Please note that this is still a work in progress; additional efforts are
> required for comprehensive testing and code cleanup. I am sharing this
> draft now to ensure the current implementation aligns with the community's
> expectations and the general direction.
>
> I look forward to your thoughts and suggestions.
>
> Best regards,
> Srinivas Rishindra
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2026 at 8:26 AM Srinivas Rishindra <[email protected]
> >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Sung and Adnan,
> >
> > Thank you for your comments.
> >
> > *To Sung:*
> >
> > While I don't have concrete production workflows available to me at the
> > moment, I can offer an illustrative use case to highlight the broader
> > vision. The general idea is to make the catalog abstraction much more of
> a
> > logical construct, rather than one that tightly couples to a physical
> > storage configuration or an IAM policy. Currently, a catalog is
> restricted
> > to a single cloud provider or IAM role, forcing users into
> > infrastructure-driven boundaries.
> >
> > Consider an organization with multiple departments like Sales, Marketing,
> > and Engineering, where each gets its own catalog. Within the Sales
> catalog,
> > data governance mandates that US data resides in AWS, European data in
> GCP,
> > and Chinese data in Alibaba Cloud. Currently, these differing storage
> > configurations would force the admin to artificially create separate
> > catalogs per region. By decoupling storage from the catalog level, a
> sales
> > associate can interact with their accounts as a unified logical unit
> (e.g.,
> > a namespace per associate, tables per account), while the admin handles
> the
> > underlying geographic storage complexity behind the scenes.
> >
> > *To Adnan:*
> >
> > I understand your concerns regarding the implementation complexity of
> > Option 1, particularly how it would impact APIs like CreateTable. I agree
> > that starting with Option 2 is a pragmatic first step to make progress,
> and
> > we can evaluate migrating to Option 1 in the future as user needs evolve.
> >
> > I also reviewed PR #3409 <https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/3409>
> > and its corresponding issue, #2970 (Support Per-Catalog AWS Credentials
> > in MinIO Deployments) <https://github.com/apache/polaris/issues/2970>.
> > The discussion in that issue correctly highlighted the security risks of
> > persisting raw secrets directly in the configuration object. By
> leveraging
> > the approach from PR #3409—where named storage credentials are predefined
> > in the server config and referenced by a storageName property—we can
> > cleanly implement Option 2. Embedding just the storageName reference at
> > the table or namespace level elegantly resolves the primary drawbacks I
> > initially listed for Option 2: it prevents duplicating sensitive
> > credentials, allows admins to rotate credentials centrally, and offers
> > reusability without requiring a new top-level entity.
> >
> > Unless there are any objections, I will work on implementing option2 and
> > publish a PR. Please let me know if this sounds like a reasonable path
> > forward.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Srinivas
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 20, 2026 at 3:22 AM Adnan Hemani via dev <
> > [email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Sorry for the late reply. I still have some concerns about Option 1's
> >> implementation details, which IMO may render it unusable or functionally
> >> handicapped - my comments are on the original design document. If we
> >> choose
> >> Option 1 in the future, I think we will eventually need further scoping
> or
> >> discussion on how APIs like CreateTable will work.
> >>
> >> Could we potentially implement Option 2 in the short-term using the
> >> approach in #3409 <https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/3409>? Maybe
> >> that
> >> will help us keep more of the storage configs in alignment with each
> other
> >> (resolving the con about re-usability and solving some of the credential
> >> rotation concerns as well).
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Adnan Hemani
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2026 at 8:58 AM Sung Yun <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Srinivas,
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the recap.
> >> >
> >> > I generally agree that Option 1 is the most semantically sound long
> term
> >> > approach, assuming credentials themselves live in a secrets manager
> and
> >> the
> >> > storage configuration only holds references. That feels like the most
> >> > extensible direction as Polaris evolves.
> >> >
> >> > I also agree with Dmitri that there are really two different concerns
> >> > here. One is how storage configuration is modeled and persisted in
> >> Polaris
> >> > as an Entity. The other is how the effective configuration is resolved
> >> for
> >> > a given table across catalog, namespace, and table boundaries. Those
> do
> >> not
> >> > have to be solved by the same abstraction.
> >> >
> >> > From that perspective, Option 4 is appealing from an implementation
> >> > standpoint, but I share the concern about semantic confusion. Reusing
> >> the
> >> > resolution and inheritance logic that Policy already has makes sense,
> >> but
> >> > using the Policy entity itself to represent storage connectivity feels
> >> > unintuitive and potentially confusing for future users and developers.
> >> >
> >> > Option 1 is IMHO probably the most correct model, but it also requires
> >> the
> >> > most upfront investment. Building on Yufei’s point, it would really
> >> help to
> >> > ground this in concrete user workflows. I think seeking answers to how
> >> > common storage configuration reuse is across many tables, and how they
> >> are
> >> > typically managed (at the namespace level, or at table level)  would
> >> help
> >> > us decide whether to invest in Option 1 now or phase toward it over
> >> time.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Sung
> >> >
> >> > On 2026/02/17 23:44:23 Srinivas Rishindra wrote:
> >> > > I agree with YuFei. Until we identify more concrete use cases, the
> >> > *inline
> >> > > model* seems to be the best starting point. It is particularly
> >> > well-suited
> >> > > for sparse configurations, where only a few tables in a namespace
> >> require
> >> > > overrides while the rest remain unchanged.
> >> > >
> >> > > *Next Steps:* Unless there are any objections, I will update the
> >> design
> >> > doc
> >> > > to reflect this approach. Once approved, I will proceed with
> >> > implementation.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2026 at 3:49 PM Yufei Gu <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > I’d suggest we start from concrete use cases.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If the inline model(Option 2) works well for the primary
> scenarios,
> >> > e.g.,
> >> > > > relatively sparse table level storage overrides, we could adopt it
> >> as a
> >> > > > first phase. It keeps the implementation simple and lets us
> validate
> >> > real
> >> > > > world needs before introducing additional abstractions.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > However, if we anticipate frequent configuration rotation or
> strong
> >> > reuse
> >> > > > requirements across many tables, Option 1 is more compelling. In
> >> that
> >> > case,
> >> > > > I'd recommend reusing the existing policy framework where
> possible,
> >> > since
> >> > > > it already provides inheritance and attachment semantics. That
> could
> >> > help
> >> > > > us avoid introducing significant new complexity into Polaris while
> >> > still
> >> > > > supporting the richer model.
> >> > > > Yufei
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2026 at 9:12 AM Dmitri Bourlatchkov <
> >> [email protected]>
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Hi Srinivas,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Thanks for the discussion recap! It's very useful to keep the
> dev
> >> > thread
> >> > > > > and meetings aligned.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Option 1:
> >> > > > > Credential Rotation: Highly efficient. Because the configuration
> >> is
> >> > > > > referenced by ID, rotating a cloud IAM role or secret requires
> >> > updating
> >> > > > > only the single StorageConfiguration entity. [...]
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > This seems to imply that credentials are stored as part of the
> >> > Storage
> >> > > > > Configuration Entity. If so, I do not think this approach is
> >> ideal. I
> >> > > > > believe the secret data should ideally be accessed via the
> Secrets
> >> > > > Manager
> >> > > > > [1]. While that discussion is still in progress, I believe it
> >> > > > interconnects
> >> > > > > with this proposal.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > [...] All thousands of downstream
> >> > > > > tables referencing it would immediately use the new credentials
> >> > without
> >> > > > > metadata updates.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Immediacy is probably from the end-user's perspective.
> Internally,
> >> > > > > different Polaris processes may switch to the updated config at
> >> > > > > different moments in time... I do not think it is a problem in
> >> this
> >> > case,
> >> > > > > just wanted to highlight it to make sure distributed system
> >> aspects
> >> > are
> >> > > > not
> >> > > > > left out :)
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Option 2:
> >> > > > > Credential Rotation: Credential rotation is difficult [...]
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Again, I believe actual credentials should be accessed via the
> >> > Secrets
> >> > > > > Manager [1] so some indirection will be present.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Config updates will need to happen individually in each case,
> but
> >> > actual
> >> > > > > secrets could be shared and updated centrally via the Secrets
> >> > Manager.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > ATM, given the complexity points about option 1 that were
> brought
> >> up
> >> > in
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > community sync, I tend to favour this option for implementing
> this
> >> > > > > proposal. However, this is not a strong requirement by any
> means,
> >> > just my
> >> > > > > personal opinion. Other opinions are welcome.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Depending on how secret references are handled in code (needs a
> >> POC,
> >> > I
> >> > > > > guess), there could be some synergy with Tornike's approach from
> >> > [3699].
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Option 3: Named Catalog-Level Configurations (Hybrid) [...]
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I would like to clarify the UX story in this case. Do we expect
> >> end
> >> > users
> >> > > > > to manage Storage Configuration in this case or the Polaris
> owner?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > In the latter case, it seems similar to Tornike's proposal in
> >> [3699]
> >> > but
> >> > > > > generalized to all storage types. The Polaris Admin / Owner
> could
> >> > use a
> >> > > > > non-public API to work with this configuration (e.g. plain
> Quarkus
> >> > > > > configuration or possibly Admin CLI).
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Option 4: Leverage Existing Policy Framework [...]
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I tend to agree with the "semantic confusion" point.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > It should be fine to reuse policy-related code in the
> >> implementation
> >> > (if
> >> > > > > possible), but I believe Storage Configuration and related
> >> credential
> >> > > > > management form a distinct use case / feature and deserve
> >> dedicated
> >> > > > > handling in Polaris and the API / UX level.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > [1]
> >> https://lists.apache.org/thread/68r3gcx70f0qhbtz3w4zhb8f9s4vvw1f
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > [3699] https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/3699
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Thanks,
> >> > > > > Dmitri.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026 at 10:19 PM Srinivas Rishindra <
> >> > > > > [email protected]>
> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Hi Everyone,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > We had an opportunity to discuss this feature and my recent
> >> > proposal at
> >> > > > > > the last community sync meeting. I would like to summarize our
> >> > > > > discussion
> >> > > > > > and enumerate the various options we considered to help us
> >> reach a
> >> > > > > > consensus.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > To recap, storage configuration is currently restricted at the
> >> > catalog
> >> > > > > > level. This limits flexibility for users who need to organize
> >> > tables
> >> > > > > across
> >> > > > > > different storage configurations or cloud providers within a
> >> single
> >> > > > > > catalog. There appears to be general agreement on the utility
> of
> >> > this
> >> > > > > > feature; however, we still need to align on the specific
> >> > implementation
> >> > > > > > approach.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Here are the various options that were considered.
> >> > > > > > *Option 0: Make Credentials available as part of table
> >> properties.
> >> > > > *(This
> >> > > > > > was my original proposal, but abandoned after becoming aware
> of
> >> the
> >> > > > > > security implications.)
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > *Option 1: First-Class Storage Configuration Entity *
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > This approach proposes elevating StorageConfiguration to a
> >> > standalone,
> >> > > > > > top-level resource in the Polaris backend (similar to a
> >> Principal,
> >> > > > > > Namespace or Table), independent of the Catalog or Table. This
> >> is
> >> > the
> >> > > > > > approach in my most recent proposal doc.
> >> > > > > > -
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Data Model: A new StorageConfiguration entity is created with
> >> its
> >> > own
> >> > > > > > unique identifier and lifecycle. Tables and Namespaces would
> >> store
> >> > a
> >> > > > > > reference ID pointing to this entity rather than embedding the
> >> > > > > credentials
> >> > > > > > directly.
> >> > > > > > -
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Security: This model offers the cleanest security boundary. We
> >> can
> >> > > > > > introduce a specific USAGE privilege on the configuration
> >> entity. A
> >> > > > user
> >> > > > > > would need both CREATE_TABLE on the Namespace *and* USAGE on
> the
> >> > > > specific
> >> > > > > > StorageConfiguration to link them.
> >> > > > > > -
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Credential Rotation: Highly efficient. Because the
> >> configuration is
> >> > > > > > referenced by ID, rotating a cloud IAM role or secret requires
> >> > updating
> >> > > > > > only the single StorageConfiguration entity. All thousands of
> >> > > > downstream
> >> > > > > > tables referencing it would immediately use the new
> credentials
> >> > without
> >> > > > > > metadata updates.
> >> > > > > > -
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Inheritance: The reference could be set at the Catalog,
> >> Namespace,
> >> > or
> >> > > > > Table
> >> > > > > > level. If a Table does not specify a reference, it would
> inherit
> >> > the
> >> > > > > > reference from its parent Namespace (and so on), preserving
> the
> >> > current
> >> > > > > > hierarchical behavior while adding granularity.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > • Pros: Maximum flexibility and reusability (Many-to-Many).
> >> > Updating
> >> > > > one
> >> > > > > > config object propagates to all associated tables.
> >> > > > > > -
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > • Cons: Highest engineering cost. Requires new CRUD APIs, DB
> >> schema
> >> > > > > changes
> >> > > > > > (mapping tables), and complex authorization logic (two-stage
> >> auth
> >> > > > > checks).
> >> > > > > > Risk of accumulating "orphaned" configs
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Option 2: The "Embedded Field" Model
> >> > > > > > -
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > This approach extends the existing Table and Namespace
> entities
> >> to
> >> > > > > include
> >> > > > > > a storageConfig field. The parameter can be defaulted to
> 'null'
> >> > and use
> >> > > > > > parent's storageConfig at runtime.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > *Data Model:* No new top-level entity is created. The storage
> >> > details
> >> > > > > > (e.g., roleArn) are stored directly into a new, dedicated
> >> column or
> >> > > > > > structure within the existing Table/Namespace entity.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Complexity: This could reduce the engineering overhead
> >> > significantly.
> >> > > > > There
> >> > > > > > are no new CRUD endpoints for configuration objects, no
> >> referential
> >> > > > > > integrity checks (e.g., preventing the deletion of a config
> >> used by
> >> > > > > active
> >> > > > > > tables).
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Credential Rotation: Credential rotation is difficult. If an
> IAM
> >> > role
> >> > > > > > changes, an administrator must identify and issue UPDATE
> >> > operations for
> >> > > > > > every individual table or namespace that uses that specific
> >> > > > > configuration,
> >> > > > > > potentially affecting thousands of objects.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > • Pros: Lowest engineering cost. No new entities or complex
> >> > mappings
> >> > > > are
> >> > > > > > required. Easy to reason about authorization (auth is tied
> >> > strictly to
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > > entity).
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > • Cons: No reusability. Configs must be duplicated across
> >> tables;
> >> > > > > rotating
> >> > > > > > credentials for 1,000 tables could require 1,000 update calls.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Option 3: Named Catalog-Level Configurations (Hybrid)
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > This can be a combination of Option1 and Option 2
> >> > > > > > Admin can define a registry of "Named Storage Configurations"
> >> > stored
> >> > > > > within
> >> > > > > > the Catalog. Sub-entities (Namespaces/Tables) reference these
> >> > configs
> >> > > > by
> >> > > > > > name (e.g., storage-config: "finance-secure-role").
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > *Data Model:* No separate top level entity is created. The
> >> Catalog
> >> > > > Entity
> >> > > > > > potentially needs to be modified to accommodate named storage
> >> > > > > > configurations.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Credential Rotation: Credential Rotation can be done at the
> >> catalog
> >> > > > level
> >> > > > > > for each named Storage Configuration.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Inheritance: Works pretty much similar as proposed in option
> 1 &
> >> > > > option2.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Security: Not as secure as option1 but still useful. A
> principal
> >> > with
> >> > > > > > proper access can attach any named storage configuration
> defined
> >> > at the
> >> > > > > > catalog level to any arbitrary entity within the catalog.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > • Pros: Good balance of reusability and simplicity. Allows
> >> > updating a
> >> > > > > > config in one place (the Catalog definition) without needing a
> >> > > > full-blown
> >> > > > > > global entity system.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > • Cons: Scope is limited to the Catalog (cannot share configs
> >> > across
> >> > > > > > catalogs)
> >> > > > > > Option 4: Leverage Existing Policy Framework
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > This approach leverages the existing Apache Polaris Policy
> >> > Framework
> >> > > > > > (currently used for features like snapshot expiry) to manage
> >> > storage
> >> > > > > > settings.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Data Model: Storage configurations are defined as "Policies"
> at
> >> the
> >> > > > > Catalog
> >> > > > > > level. These Policies contain the credential details and can
> be
> >> > > > attached
> >> > > > > to
> >> > > > > > Namespaces or Tables using the existing policy attachment
> APIs.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Inheritance:  This aligns naturally with Polaris's existing
> >> > > > architecture,
> >> > > > > > where policies cascade from Catalog → Namespace → Table. The
> >> > vending
> >> > > > > logic
> >> > > > > > would simply resolve the "effective" storage policy for a
> table
> >> at
> >> > > > query
> >> > > > > > time.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Security: This utilizes the existing Polaris Privileges and
> >> > attachment
> >> > > > > > privileges. Administrators can define authorized storage
> >> policies
> >> > > > > > centrally, and users can only select from these pre-approved
> >> > policies,
> >> > > > > > preventing them from inputting arbitrary or insecure role
> ARNs.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > • Pros:
> >> > > > > >   . Zero New Infrastructure: Reuses the existing "Policy"
> >> entity,
> >> > > > > > persistence layer, and inheritance logic, significantly
> reducing
> >> > > > > > engineering effort
> >> > > > > >   . Proven Inheritance: The logic for resolving policies from
> >> > child to
> >> > > > > > parent is already implemented and tested
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > • Cons:
> >> > > > > >   . Semantic Confusion: Policies are typically used for
> >> "governance
> >> > > > > rules"
> >> > > > > > (e.g., snapshot expiry, compaction) rather than "connectivity
> >> > > > > > configuration." Using them for credentials might be
> unintuitive
> >> > > > > >   . Authorization Complexity: The authorizer would need to
> load
> >> and
> >> > > > > > evaluate policies to determine how to access data, potentially
> >> > coupling
> >> > > > > > governance logic with data access paths
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > We can potentially start with one of the options initially and
> >> as
> >> > the
> >> > > > > > feature and user needs develop we can migrate to other options
> >> as
> >> > well.
> >> > > > > > Please let me know your thoughts about the various options
> above
> >> > or if
> >> > > > on
> >> > > > > > anything that I might have missed so that we can work towards
> a
> >> > > > consensus
> >> > > > > > on how to implement this feature.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2026 at 8:08 AM Tornike Gurgenidze <
> >> > > > > [email protected]>
> >> > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Hi,
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > To follow up on Dmitri's point about credentials, there's
> >> > already a
> >> > > > PR
> >> > > > > > > <https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/3409> up that is
> >> going
> >> > to
> >> > > > > allow
> >> > > > > > > predefining named storage credentials in polaris config like
> >> the
> >> > > > > > following:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >    - polaris.storage.aws.<storage-name>.access-key
> >> > > > > > >    - polaris.storage.aws.<storage-name>.secret-key
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > then storage configuration will simply refer to it by name
> and
> >> > > > > > > inherit credentials.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > I think that can go hand in hand with table-level overrides.
> >> > > > Overriding
> >> > > > > > > each and every aws property for every table doesn't sound
> >> ideal.
> >> > > > > > Defining a
> >> > > > > > > storage configuration upfront and referring to it by name
> >> should
> >> > be a
> >> > > > > > > simpler solution. I can extend the scope of the PR above to
> >> allow
> >> > > > > > > predefining other aws properties as well like endpoint-url
> and
> >> > > > region.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Another point that came up in the discussion surrounding
> extra
> >> > > > > > credentials
> >> > > > > > > is how to make sure anyone can't just hijack pre configured
> >> > > > > credentials.
> >> > > > > > > The simplest solution I see there is to ship off properties
> to
> >> > OPA
> >> > > > > during
> >> > > > > > > catalog (and table) creation and allow users to write
> policies
> >> > based
> >> > > > on
> >> > > > > > > them. If we want to enable internal rbac to have a similar
> >> > capability
> >> > > > > we
> >> > > > > > > can go further and move from config based storage definition
> >> to a
> >> > > > > > separate
> >> > > > > > > `/storage-config` rest resource in management API that will
> >> come
> >> > with
> >> > > > > > > necessary grants and permissions.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2026 at 5:43 AM Dmitri Bourlatchkov <
> >> > [email protected]
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Hi Srinivas,
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Thanks for the proposal. It looks good to me overall, a
> very
> >> > timely
> >> > > > > > > feature
> >> > > > > > > > to add to Polaris.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > I added some comments in the doc and I see this topic on
> the
> >> > > > > Community
> >> > > > > > > Sync
> >> > > > > > > > agenda for Feb 5. Looking forward to discussing it online.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > I have three points to highlight:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > * Dealing with passwords probably connects to the Secrets
> >> > Manager
> >> > > > > > > > discussion [1]
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > * Persistence needs to consider non-RDBMS backends. OSS
> code
> >> > has
> >> > > > both
> >> > > > > > > > PostgreSQL and MongoDB, but private Persistence
> >> > implementations are
> >> > > > > > > > possible too. I believe we need a proper SPI for this, not
> >> > just a
> >> > > > > > > > relational schema example.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > * Associating entities (tables, namespaces) to Storage
> >> > > > Configuration
> >> > > > > is
> >> > > > > > > > likely a plugin point that downstream projects may want to
> >> > > > customize.
> >> > > > > > I'd
> >> > > > > > > > propose making another SPI for this. This SPI is probably
> >> > different
> >> > > > > > from
> >> > > > > > > > the new Persistence SPI mentioned above since the concern
> >> here
> >> > is
> >> > > > not
> >> > > > > > > > persistence per se, but the logic of finding the right
> >> storage
> >> > > > > config.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > [1]
> >> > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/68r3gcx70f0qhbtz3w4zhb8f9s4vvw1f
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> >> > > > > > > > Dmitri.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 4:18 PM Srinivas Rishindra <
> >> > > > > > > [email protected]>
> >> > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > We had an opportunity to discuss the community sprint
> last
> >> > week.
> >> > > > > > Based
> >> > > > > > > on
> >> > > > > > > > > that discussion, I have created a new design doc which I
> >> am
> >> > > > > attaching
> >> > > > > > > > here.
> >> > > > > > > > > In this design instead of passing credentials via table
> >> > > > properties,
> >> > > > > > > this
> >> > > > > > > > > design introduces Inheritable Storage Configurations as
> a
> >> > > > > first-class
> >> > > > > > > > > feature. Please let me know your thoughts on the
> document.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hbDkE-w84Pn_112iW2vCnlDKPDtyg8flaYcFGjvD120/edit?usp=sharing
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2026 at 10:42 PM Yufei Gu <
> >> > [email protected]>
> >> > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > Hi Srinivas,
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing this proposal. Persisting long
> lived
> >> > > > > credentials
> >> > > > > > > > such
> >> > > > > > > > > as
> >> > > > > > > > > > an S3 secret access key directly in table properties
> >> raises
> >> > > > > > > significant
> >> > > > > > > > > > security concerns. Here is an alternative approach
> >> > previously
> >> > > > > > > > discussed,
> >> > > > > > > > > > which enables storage configuration at the table or
> >> > namespace
> >> > > > > > level,
> >> > > > > > > > and
> >> > > > > > > > > it
> >> > > > > > > > > > is probably a more secure and promising direction
> >> overall.
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > Yufei
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2026 at 8:18 PM Srinivas Rishindra <
> >> > > > > > > > > [email protected]
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > I have developed a design proposal for Table-Level
> >> > Storage
> >> > > > > > > Credential
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Overrides in Apache Polaris.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > The core objective is to allow specific storage
> >> > properties to
> >> > > > > be
> >> > > > > > > > > defined
> >> > > > > > > > > > at
> >> > > > > > > > > > > the table level rather than the catalog level,
> >> enabling a
> >> > > > > single
> >> > > > > > > > > logical
> >> > > > > > > > > > > catalog to support tables across disparate storage
> >> > systems.
> >> > > > > > > > Crucially,
> >> > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > implementation ensures these overrides participate
> in
> >> the
> >> > > > > > > credential
> >> > > > > > > > > > > vending process to maintain secure, scoped access.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > I have also implemented a Proof of Concept (POC)
> pull
> >> > request
> >> > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > > > demonstrate the idea. While the current MVP focuses
> on
> >> > S3, I
> >> > > > > > intend
> >> > > > > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > > > expand scope to include Azure and GCS pending
> >> community
> >> > > > > feedback.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > I look forward to your thoughts and suggestions on
> >> this
> >> > > > > proposal.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Links:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > - Design Doc: Table-Level Storage Credential
> >> Overrides (
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tf4N8GKeyAAYNoP0FQ1zT1Ba3P1nVGgdw3nmnhSm-u0/edit?usp=sharing
> >> > > > > > > > > > > )
> >> > > > > > > > > > > - POC PR:
> https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/3563
> >> (
> >> > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/3563)
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Srinivas Rishindra Pothireddi
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
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> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
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