Hi Russell,

Your points sound reasonable to me.

Yet, noone answered my second question from my initial email. That is: why
do we need to expose non-IRC endpoints in the IRC config response in the
first place?

Regarding the maintainability aspect, I see this becoming a more
substantial concern if it evolves into a self-sustaining pattern.

For example, if we are to expose Open Lineage or OSI endpoints in IRC
config, the IRC service code will have to be aware of OL / OSI modules. I
think this dependency is conceptually incorrect.

I do not so much mind existing non-IRC endpoints in the IRC config, but
extending this to new APIs feels like an anti-pattern to me.

Cheers,
Dmitri.

On Mon, Jun 22, 2026 at 5:46 PM Russell Spitzer <[email protected]>
wrote:

> From a very pragmatic point of view, I'm not sure what we'd gain from
> separate
> configuration mechanisms. We already have one and it's worked well so far,
> do we have a compelling reason to swap right now?
>
> As best I can tell, the worst case is that the IRC spec later tightens the
> semantics
> of the endpoints field, making our extra entries non-compliant. In that
> situation
> we'd have to change our response, add a Polaris-specific config/discovery
> endpoint, and
> have our clients move over to it. But that's exactly the work this proposal
> is asking us to do today
> so we would be taking same burden now instead of potentially never. I'd
> rather defer
> it until something concrete forces our hand.
>
> The one counter I can see is that decoupling gets harder as more clients
> adopt it. But
> since the Polaris endpoints are already namespaced (/polaris/...), lifting
> them into a separate endpoint
>  later stays mechanical, so I don't think we're meaningfully cheaper doing
> it now.
>
>
> I'd like to gently point out that it doesn't feel especially important
> whether the exact wording
> or original intent of the spec supports what we're doing. The discussion is
> starting to feel
> like a legalistic reading of the spec rather than a focus on concrete
> impact. I'd suggest we focus
> on arguments like "what would actually break if someone interpreted the
> spec this way?"
> rather than "what was the original intent of the text?"
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2026 at 3:23 PM Adnan Hemani via dev <
> [email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Dmitri,
> >
> > I think you and I view the same statement very differently - I definitely
> > don't think it's "pretty clear that the scope of the data returned under
> > that type is limited to the API defined by the spec". I see it this way:
> if
> > this statement truly meant ONLY IRC endpoints, the spec would explicitly
> > use the words "IRC spec endpoints". The absence of clarification in any
> > specification rarely means you should "read-between-the-lines" to assume
> > the writer's "intent".
> >
> > I will look into Iceberg mailing list threads and PRs for background
> > information to clarify things.
> >
> > Best,
> > Adnan Hemani
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 22, 2026 at 12:27 PM Dmitri Bourlatchkov <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > HI Adnan,
> > >
> > > The IRC spec defines a "type" for the config response. A property of
> that
> > > "type" is a list of "endpoints supported by the server". There is no
> > > statement about generalizing those endpoints to non-IRC APIs.
> > >
> > > Therefore, I think it is pretty clear that the scope of the data
> returned
> > > under that type is limited to the API defined by the spec, which is
> IRC.
> > >
> > > Let's expand this discussion a bit.
> > >
> > > What is the rationale for returning non-IRC endpoints in the IRC config
> > > response?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Dmitri.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2026 at 3:21 PM Adnan Hemani via dev <
> > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Dmitri,
> > >>
> > >> I'm not sure where you are assuming that "endpoints" only refers to
> > >> Iceberg
> > >> endpoints in the IRC spec. Do you have any thing you can point us to
> > >> regarding this?
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >> Adnan Hemani
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2026 at 12:18 PM Dmitri Bourlatchkov <
> [email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi Adam,
> > >> >
> > >> > > #1 - Is GET '
> > >> > http://localhost:8181/api/catalog/v1/config?warehouse=polaris' only
> > >> > an Iceberg Catalog concept?
> > >> >
> > >> > My interpretation is YES, because the payload of that response is
> > >> defined
> > >> > by the IRC API spec [1].
> > >> >
> > >> > I believe one can reasonably assume that the statement "endpoints
> > >> supported
> > >> > by the server" is scoped only to the IRC API itself. There's no
> > >> provision
> > >> > in that spec about covering all possible APIs.
> > >> >
> > >> > That said, I'd be happy to discuss how clients can discover Polaris
> > >> > features in general without overloading existing specifications.
> > >> >
> > >> > [1]
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://github.com/apache/iceberg/blob/apache-iceberg-1.11.0/open-api/rest-catalog-open-api.yaml#L105
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, Jun 22, 2026 at 2:52 PM Adam Christian <
> > >> > [email protected]> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > I agree with both Yufei & Dmitri:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > #1 - It seems like improper coupling for an Iceberg REST Catalog
> > >> config
> > >> > to
> > >> > > return a configuration unrelated to Iceberg.
> > >> > > #2 - Polaris is a superset of an Iceberg REST Catalog.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > So, in my opinion, the question is more aptly framed as two
> > questions:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > #1 - Is GET '
> > >> > http://localhost:8181/api/catalog/v1/config?warehouse=polaris
> > >> > > '
> > >> > > only an Iceberg Catalog concept?
> > >> > > #2 - Should GET '
> > >> > > http://localhost:8181/api/catalog/v1/config?warehouse=polaris'
> > return
> > >> > > additional endpoints?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I believe that the answer to #1 is no, but that requires changes
> to
> > >> the
> > >> > > codebase. I believe the answer to #2 is yes.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Based on the codebase, we are exposing several endpoints in this
> > >> > > configuration API which are not Iceberg endpoints. For example, in
> > the
> > >> > > Generic Tables case, it is explicitly not Iceberg. In my opinion,
> > >> this is
> > >> > > alright because our API specification only says "Configuration
> API,"
> > >> not
> > >> > > "Iceberg Configuration API." Yes, it is Iceberg-compatible, but it
> > is
> > >> not
> > >> > > Iceberg-centric. This retrieves the configuration for the Catalog;
> > >> > > regardless of whether it is an Iceberg Catalog. Now, if this is
> > truly
> > >> a
> > >> > > superset, it implies that IcebergCatalogHandler.java should not
> > handle
> > >> > > returning the configuration. Additionally, we need to return a
> > >> superset
> > >> > of
> > >> > > the ConfigResponse (an Iceberg-core concept) for the REST API
> > >> response.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Now, if the answer to #1 is yes, that means we should probably
> have
> > a
> > >> > > separate API for configuration.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > What do y'all think?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Go community,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Adam
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2026 at 1:55 PM Yufei Gu <[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > I think a Polaris client is also an IRC client, just with
> > additional
> > >> > > > capabilities. In that sense, Polaris can be viewed as a superset
> > of
> > >> > IRC.
> > >> > > If
> > >> > > > the config endpoint is intended for capability discovery,
> > returning
> > >> > > Polaris
> > >> > > > specific endpoints seems reasonable. Standard IRC clients can
> > simply
> > >> > > ignore
> > >> > > > endpoints they don't recognize.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > A concrete example is the Polaris Spark client, which checks
> > server
> > >> > > > capabilities before using Polaris specific functionality:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > public List<TableIdentifier> listGenericTables(Namespace ns) {
> > >> > > >   Endpoint.check(endpoints,
> > >> PolarisEndpoints.V1_LIST_GENERIC_TABLES);
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Yufei
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2026 at 7:43 AM Dmitri Bourlatchkov <
> > >> [email protected]>
> > >> > > > wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > Hi All,
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > During my review of [4816] I realized [1] that Polaris returns
> > >> some
> > >> > > > non-IRC
> > >> > > > > endpoints in the IRC config responses.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > For example:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > GET '
> > >> http://localhost:8181/api/catalog/v1/config?warehouse=polaris'
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Result:
> > >> > > > > [...]
> > >> > > > >   "endpoints": [
> > >> > > > >     "GET /v1/{prefix}/namespaces",
> > >> > > > >     "GET /v1/{prefix}/namespaces/{namespace}",
> > >> > > > >     "HEAD /v1/{prefix}/namespaces/{namespace}",
> > >> > > > > [...]
> > >> > > > >    "DELETE
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> polaris/v1/{prefix}/namespaces/{namespace}/generic-tables/{generic-table}",
> > >> > > > >     "GET
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> polaris/v1/{prefix}/namespaces/{namespace}/generic-tables/{generic-table}",
> > >> > > > >     "GET
> /polaris/v1/{prefix}/namespaces/{namespace}/policies",
> > >> > > > >     "POST
> /polaris/v1/{prefix}/namespaces/{namespace}/policies",
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > The latter group of endpoints is not related to the Iceberg
> REST
> > >> > > Catalog
> > >> > > > > API.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > I wonder what the rationale might be for returning them in the
> > IRC
> > >> > > config
> > >> > > > > response.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > From my POV, returning them in the IRC config response is
> > >> incorrect
> > >> > > > because
> > >> > > > > these endpoints form APIs that follow a different
> specification
> > >> and
> > >> > > > clients
> > >> > > > > using the IRC API do not need that information to properly use
> > the
> > >> > IRC
> > >> > > > API.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > WDYT?
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > [1]
> > >> > https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/4816#discussion_r3438945230
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > [4816] https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/4816
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Thanks,
> > >> > > > > Dmitri.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >
>

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