Hi Oscar, 
Am Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:40:55 -0500, schrieb Oscar van Vliet:
>>  I understand this as a strong vote for dropping the SISSL license to
>>  make a joint effort of the Mac Teams possible again. Is this also the
>>  opinion of the complete NeoOffice Team or just your's ? I really would
>>  like to try to move something here in Sun if I'd have the commitment of
>>  the NeoOffice Team to have some backing to do so.
> 
> I can't vouch that Patrick would release the code under LGPL 
> (though I haven't seem him exclude it), but I think we can safely 
> say NeoOffice will never join the OOo codebase as long as the 
> SISSL requirement is in place.

Agreed. 

But let's not make licence issue the reason for another ice age 
between OOo and NeoOffice folks.  
 
> I am a bit vexed by this. As I argued earlier, there are not 
> likely to be many enterprises who want to do something with OOo 
> on the Mac. So licensing requirement are so much less urgent.. 

We don't know. I mean the only company I can imagine is Apple 
itself but so far they have iWork and they have MSO and I am sure 
that if they kick MSO off for the Mac it's close to suicide. 

 > By contrast, on Windows, the market is that much bigger, leaving 
> room for more players. On Linux, there are so many distributors 
> that very free access to the source is needed. And of course, Sun 
> wants to support their Solaris OS. But Mac doesn't have any of 
> these issues, though I suspect Sun would love a chance to take 
> Patrick and Ed's work and field it as StarOffice 7 for Mac. But 
> Dan has made the point clearly enough.

For this sceneario we have to find a solution.

> If there is willingness among the OpenOffice community to look at 
> this in a flexible manner, I'd be happy to plead for a solution 
> back at the NeoOffice forums. 

Sure there is willingness among the OOo Community but I for myself 
have no time to regularly take a look at the NeoOffice/J Forums as 
it would be necessary if we discuss any further ongoings there. 
Don't get me wrong this is not an abasement of the forums in 
generall but I have about ten mailinglists only for OOo and numbers 
are raising. Currently I only read the most important mails that 
may have to do anything with Mac and even with this limitation I 
have enough mails to read. 

I mean if we shoud not discuss it on porting let's create a Mac 
porting only mailinglist were NeoOffice/J and OOo Devs can exchange 
or create such a forum on NeoOffice/J but then I may not find the 
time to check it regularly. 

On the other hand we create it if we have this mailinglist and 
afaik Ed and Patrick are both subscribed to this list so they can 
both post here and O.K. it is not a NeoOffice/J area but both have 
to make compromises and not only we OOo folks. 

> Again, I am just trying to bring people together, and I have no 
> decision making authority.

Thank you for doing this.

> But in my experience, a problem is 
> only a problem is you define it that way and en open mind goes a 
> long way.

Good point of view if all involved remember it we find a solution.  
 
> Once again, I'd like to invite opinions from the Mac volunteer 
> team and OOo staff members who are involved in this.

For me I am willing to collaborate and support your efforts. I 
think the same goes for Eric B and Florian Heckl. 

Regards, 
Eric Hoch

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