Hi Fridrich, 2005/8/24, Fridrich Strba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Warning: This post is containing a rant. If you have weak nerves, > please, do not read it.
then I can read it :-). > Hello, > > The porting project needs a porter to port OpenOffice.org on Mac OSX! > You may say, that there is a porting team. I will firmly disagree. There > is a group of Mac OSX "builders", but no porter. The aim of a port is > IMHO not so much in providing binary packages for a given platform as in > making it possible to build these binary packages _out-of-the-box_. This > is not possible for the while. There is a serie of patches that allow to > build scatered all around the place, but OOo is not buildable on Mac OSX > using only build instructions and a fresh cvs checkout. I disagree that there is no porter for Mac OS X, I did build m121 on my machine without any big difficulties. This was the first build on a Mac for me and it wasn't more problematic than on other platforms I have built OOo for. There was only one break, but I resolved it quickly. > NAKATA Maho wrote: > > My name is NAKATA, Maho, enthusiastic OOo porter. > > I would like to ask you for donation of a pentium 4 or Athlon64 (I mean > > fast/reliable and small) machine for Windows mingw porting. > > Sorry, but I will be a bit personal in this one. Not so long ago, you > were thanking someone for donating you a G5 and Apple developer > subscription. So, please use it for the good of all. Trying to be > porting on hundred platforms at the same time is just leading, as it is > now, to a substandard result. Focus on one and do it in excellence. You > may argue that you are doing it as voluntary work and in your free time. > I will tell you that probably nobody was pointing a loaded gun at you > forcing you to start doing it. Are you the Chief of the Army or what are you doing here? If Nakata Maho is interested in various platforms, let him be it. Be happy that he is supporting OOo and if you have problems about what he's doing, please ask/tell him in personal and not on the lists. > It is nice to have a lot of things on the CV, but I will keep contending > that there are no MacOSX porters. It is nice that you are providing > patches in CVS, but tell me honestly, what is preventing you from > cleaning these patches out and pushing them upstream? It may feel > mightily good to have a web-space for uploading packages and a CVS > repository, but this is not making advance the Mac OSX port a single inch. Every single patch for Mac OS X is advancing it, that's my view on it. > As Pavel-san said several times, patches sitting in IZ or in other > places will not take legs themselves, they will not create a CWS > themselves and they will not make themselves the QA job. Finally, they > will not push themselves upstream. This is a porter's job and if someone > pretends to be porter, she/he is compeled to do the job well. And that is the view of a elite society, everybody should do his job the best he can and if not kick him out. Thankfully most of us are not living in such a world. > Would it be better simply to use the G5 that was donated to you to do > well the Mac OSX port and not to try to do everything with suboptimal > results. Understand me, I am far from discouraging anybody from doing > the porting. I just know that time is a scarce resource and doing one > thing well is better than doing too many things with lousy results. Yes, I agree with you. Efficiency is to be achieved by focusing on one single thing. But freedom is more important than efficiency to me. I will never tell people in this project what they have to do or what they should do, it's their own choice to do what they want. > Sorry for being too direct, but Janík-san tried in many of his e-mails > hint something and his hints were not really understood, so I decided to > go out of the lurking mode and try to put the stick into the ant-hill. It's good to openly discuss things and directly critizice, but it's not good to choose someone and make him the bad guy, as you did in this mail with Nakata, that's my opinion of it. -- Best Regards Christian Junker --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
