On 19.05.2011 12:59, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
Hi Mathias, *,
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Mathias Bauer<nospamfor...@gmx.de> wrote:
"Apply" buttons are nonsense
Having to reopen a dialog a dozen times is nonsense.
Sure, but only adding an "apply" button is a very small step into the
right direction. And as a modeless dialog does not need more work in
many cases, I would prefer to go a step further. Maybe "nonsense" was
too harsh - let's name it "waste of time".
(and under rare conditions even a bug) as long
as the dialog is modal.
The dialog being modal or not has nothing to do with it, but with what
the dialog does.
I beg to differ. Even in simple cases it's not enough - I have to close
the dialog to "undo" my changes, to change the selection etc. In more
complicated cases an apply button could even lead to bugs and crashes
(but admittedly not in the simple case of "format character").
So for me a request for "Apply" buttons is a request
for converting modal dialogs to modeless dialogs.
Not necessarily - anyway, LibreOffice for example is not opposing
apply buttons - http://vmiklos.hu/blog/lo-apply - and response to that
is positive throughout - so OOo probably should reconsider as well.
Nice, sure. But as it would only take a few hours of work(*) to convert
e.g. the "format character" dialog into a modeless one (been there, done
it), I wouldn't waste my time with intermediate steps.
When I presented my prototype for a modeless character dialog many, many
years ago it was not well received. There was fear that people would get
irritated as they lose the "safety net" of the modal dialog. I never
believed that and so I'm pleases to read that I was true. :-)
Regards,
Mathias
(*) of course only if you know where to work ;-)
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